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Old 11-13-2007, 01:30 PM
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Default Which ones would survive?

The other thread got me thinking (ya I know scary lol).

A little scenario here;
Lets say the earth all of a sudden was human free, no person on the entire planet. And all the animals were free.
Which dog breeds would survive and why?
Which dog breeds would fail to survive and why?
And how would having all those dogs free impact other species?

Poof!! Humans gone and their animals left standing on the street.................
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Old 11-13-2007, 01:36 PM
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Oh my goodness, mine would be the first too go...they'd end up being someones meal.

So that said,most little dogs probably wouldn't last long, sadly. Or I should say all "companion only" little dogs. The small working dogs like terriers would do quite well.

All dogs that need grooming would probably also have a hard time surviving once their fur grows to a length that impeaches on their health. They'd get so matter up and with wet then cold weather they'd have a difficult time keeping warm.

I'd say the breeds that would fair well are the ones closet resembling the wolf, such as the GSD, Huskies, Mals, and many flock guarding breeds.
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Old 11-13-2007, 01:39 PM
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That'd be really sad if they were all just left standing there on the street! What's sad is the smaller dog breeds would probably be the ones less likely to survive because of larger predators. And as far as impacting other species...I think the squirrels and rabbits wouldn't be so happy!
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Old 11-13-2007, 01:44 PM
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Honestly, I think most of them would go pretty quickly. The dogs that did survive would obviously not hold their breed type, and in a few generations, would probably be pretty indistinguishable.

Depending on the climate, I'd be on either the nordic breeds or the terriers holding out the longest - both are breeds that are fairly capable in the hunting department.

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Old 11-13-2007, 01:56 PM
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I think location would have a huge impact on which breeds survived. Smooth coated dogs of any size would be in serious trouble during the winter months in most of Canada. I would expect they could last longer or in fact survive in warmer climates.
Would a Great Pyr. survive? Could it go back on so many generations of stock protection to hunt? Would it have the speed and agility to hunt? Could it last on just being a scavenger? Or would it switch rolls and be the protector of a den sight (pups of the hunting dogs)? and have its food delievered?

How many breeds of dogs would end up crippled and unable to defend its self or hunt becasue of hip dysplasia? That one alone would cull so many.
Which types/breeds of dogs would 'pack up'?

Oh so many questions and answers!!!!!!!!!! This is fun.
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Old 11-13-2007, 01:58 PM
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They'd end up looking like an average dog before long.

They'd all be bonking each other - that's natures way!
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Old 11-13-2007, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Giny View Post
Oh my goodness, mine would be the first too go...they'd end up being someones meal........All dogs that need grooming would probably also have a hard time surviving once their fur grows to a length that impeaches on their health........
If human's left suddenly we would leave a LOT of garbage around...and some of the smaller breeds are really good scavengers. But I am afraid you are right Giny, our poodles would just turn into giant fur balls....perhaps the clever ones would learn to roll out of danger

Cats on the other hand do fine on their own, and often treat their owners as if they know it.

I heard a funny quote yesterday, Churchill I think:

"Dogs look up to you, cats look down on you, but pigs...they look you right in the eye as an equal."

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Old 11-13-2007, 02:18 PM
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My first thought is bigger dogs would survive better than small dogs. On the other hand, my sister had a Yorkshire Terrier (died of old age) and let me tell you, that dog did not understand that she was a small dog. She would let her big Lab have it, she was a tough little dog. Sweet as she could be to people or small dogs, but big dogs she was all over!
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Old 11-13-2007, 02:57 PM
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Climate is a huge deal, but on average I would say the primitive breeds that still have it in them to not only catch and kill, but devour too. That in itself weeds out a log of breeds (as many fail the very first step -catch. They only chase).

I think severely Bracycephalic (sp?) breeds such as Pugs would go pretty quick as they just wouldnt fair well during warmer months when they dont have an ACed house to escape too and MUST still be able to be active during the warmer months.

Sadly, I think the bully breeds and terriers would go pretty quick too (but likely not before making an influence or two in the gene pool - meaning they survive for a bit). Yes they are tough, yes many of them have the instinct to catch and kill, even devour HOWEVER where they would fall short is being too driven. That "no quit" attitude of theirs that make them so good at what they do. Think about it, when a healthy wolf is challeneged by a minor threat that doesnt back away when he gives warning, he will more than likely just back down and leave. If he was cornered it'd be a whole other story of course, but so long as the option of fleeing is available he would take it before fighting (not taking into account breeding rights or fights for food here, just meeting upon a random threat in the woods that really doesnt pose a high danger). Bully breeds and terriers however would go toe to toe with that challenge and not back down until they win or their body doesnt let them go on. That doesnt help survival. The wolf knows that even a minor injury could be life threatening when it comes to survival. The bully breeds and terriers are blind to the pain and just keep going.

Back to the primitive breeds I was talking about earlier, breeds such as thin-coated sighthounds wouldnt fair too well in cold climates so they may die out in the north but I could see them thriving in warm climates. Double-coated breeds that dont have excessive coat (like the Siberians) could do well in any climate they choose as their coats are very adaptable. The ones who are in warmer climates, over a few generations would likely evolve to have thinner/shorter coats. heck that already happens with current Sibes living in warm temperatures! The ones with excessive double coats (like the CO) would thrive in colder climates but probably not do so well in warmer climates.

Like others have said, eventually evolution would simply differentiate the canines by region rather than breeds. I predict the dogs of the south would take on the look of the current Pariah Dogs whereas the dogs of the north would take on the look of the current wild dogs (a mixture of coyote and wolf with some dog-ish features). Dogs living in moutainous regions would be built with shorter legs and a stockier body for ease of flying through the rocky area after prey. Dogs of the plains however would be much leggier and lankier.

Its an interesting thing to think about! Thanks for bringing it up!

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Old 11-13-2007, 02:58 PM
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Ok, please let me clarify.........yes we all know that they will interbreed, thats a given. Its not what they will look like in future generations etc.
The question is which breeds or types do you think will adapt as they are now? Which breeds have the conformation, brains, speed and agility to cope?
Which ones are wiley like a fox? Adaptable like a coyote? Or tough like a wolf? Size isn't everything.
And there is no land fills or garbage in my little world here lol, so they can't scavenge like that, no stores either because I know a few dogs that would figure out how to live in a store lol.
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