Dog Site - Dog Stuff
Dog Forum | Dog Pictures

Go Back   Chazhound Dog Forum > Dog Discussions and Dog Talk Forums > Dog Health Care


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-21-2007, 09:30 PM
irotas's Avatar
irotas irotas is offline
Sucker for a droopy lab
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 361
Question "Stop the Shots!" ???

Earlier this year, Foley Square Books published a book by John Clifton called "Stop the Shots!: Are Vaccinations Killing Our Pets?" (ISBN: 0976084627)

The Amazon reviews are generally positive, but I'm always a little wary about books like this.

Has anyone here read it? Is it reputable, or just more sensationalism to make a buck?
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 09-21-2007, 09:38 PM
LuvsDogs's Avatar
LuvsDogs LuvsDogs is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Sydney N.S.W.
Posts: 542
Default

No, I haven't heard of or read the book. But there is a lot of cotroversy surrounding over vaccination. A holistic/naturapathic vet in Sydney 1st told our dog club of the unnecessary over use of vaccinations. She suggested that they were only needed ever 4 - possibly 7 yrs. There needs to be more research on the matter. I stopped vaccinating my 14 y/o border collie 5 yrs ago when I 1st heard of this & 2 friends lost their old dogs following vaccination. My vet told me that except for kennel cough which needs doing every 6 mths the other every 4 yrs. We don't have rabies in Aust.
There are titres for testing whether a dog has immunity.
__________________



Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-21-2007, 09:45 PM
shadowfacedanes's Avatar
shadowfacedanes shadowfacedanes is offline
*Biter*
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,907
Default

If it's knowledgably written (IE - by a animal health professional) then I say "Bout **** time".

We ARE overvaccinating our pets.

I do the core vaccines as per Dr. Dodd's vaccine schedule for pups, and titer annually after that.

No unneccesary vaccines for my pets, no sirreee. Why should I pay a vet to poison my dog?

I'm going to look into this book. It sounds promising....I hope it will be.
__________________


Ditto - 2 year old APBT and Corvus - 7 year old supermutt
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-22-2007, 10:30 AM
irotas's Avatar
irotas irotas is offline
Sucker for a droopy lab
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 361
Default

The book apparently has a website:
http://www.stoptheshots.com/


Here's the table of contents:
http://www.stoptheshots.com/images/S...f-contents.pdf
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 09-22-2007, 10:41 AM
Aussie Red's Avatar
Aussie Red Aussie Red is offline
Rebel With Cause
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: HER OWN PLANET
Posts: 1,194
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowfacedanes View Post
If it's knowledgably written (IE - by a animal health professional) then I say "Bout **** time".

We ARE overvaccinating our pets.

I do the core vaccines as per Dr. Dodd's vaccine schedule for pups, and titer annually after that.

No unneccesary vaccines for my pets, no sirreee. Why should I pay a vet to poison my dog?

I'm going to look into this book. It sounds promising....I hope it will be.
Me too and when I do have to get them I only use the fresh ones. Not ones with preservatives. I pay in advance and have them ordered. Whiskey is deathly allergic to them and each time I gave them in the past he darn near died. He has to be hooked to an IV drip with benadryl first so why do it ? I have also opted out on giving the shots for corona,bordetella, Gihardia and lyme as these are treatable with antibiotics. This is a decision I and his vet made together for his health
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 09-22-2007, 11:02 AM
irotas's Avatar
irotas irotas is offline
Sucker for a droopy lab
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 361
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowfacedanes View Post
I do the core vaccines as per Dr. Dodd's vaccine schedule for pups, and titer annually after that.

If I may ask, why do you in particular trust Dr. Dodd's recommendation? I'm not saying there's any problem with that, just that I've never heard of her.

Thanks!
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 09-22-2007, 11:15 AM
irotas's Avatar
irotas irotas is offline
Sucker for a droopy lab
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 361
Default

One thing that concerns me is what problems one might encounter with an unvaccinated dog. For example, all the groomers we've used require a particular set of vaccinations. I've not taken Manni to a kennel, but I assume kennels have similar rules.

Also, what about taking an unvaccinated dog across state lines? We also take Manni to Canada with us rather frequently. I wonder how border patrol would react if they found out we were transporting an unvaccinated dog across the border.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 09-22-2007, 11:20 AM
shadowfacedanes's Avatar
shadowfacedanes shadowfacedanes is offline
*Biter*
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,907
Default

We're not talking UNvaccinated dogs...or at least I'm not. I'm talking about overvaccinating.

Groomers and kennels require what the vets told them they should require once upon a time. Times have changed. Not all vets have. Hence why Dr. Joe Schmoe DVM still pushes yearly vaccines even though research and evidence has proven this is not only unneccesary, but harmful.

As far as border requirements, I have no idea there. But I would assume titering your dog and providing the paperwork along with a letter of explanation from your vet would suffice...though I can't say for certain.

Hannah has not had a parvo vaccine since she was 5 months old. Her latest titer showed she is still perfectly immune, yet a vet might have given her another at one year of age, and then again at two years of age. Why? It wouldn't have helped her immunity any, but it could've possibly caused detrimental side effects. That's my point. Don't fix what ain't broke, ya know?
__________________


Ditto - 2 year old APBT and Corvus - 7 year old supermutt
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 09-22-2007, 11:57 AM
ToscasMom's Avatar
ToscasMom ToscasMom is offline
Harumph™©®
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Mother Ship
Posts: 6,211
Default

There are a number of threads on this here at Chaz and a LOT of information on this on the internet.

I do not overvaccinate my pets. That includes cats, who it is finally admitted, can acquire Vaccine Associated Sarcoma from shot sites.

You can titer your pets if you want, or you can realize that you are overkilling some of these shots in your pets who are already immunized.

My schedule for Tosca was
All shots as puppy
Boosters at year one with THREE year rabies shot.

She will have a checkup next year and every year, but she will not get another shot until three years from now.

I have grown to believe that kennel cough shots are easily useless as well, since i know a number of people whose dogs got it while protected. Presumably, it 'lessens' the effects. Would love to see some actuals on that though or hear from some of the people on this board who are more savvy than I am (plenty of you!).

Question: How many measles shots did you get as a kid? Are you still getting them?
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 09-22-2007, 12:00 PM
irotas's Avatar
irotas irotas is offline
Sucker for a droopy lab
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 361
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowfacedanes View Post
We're not talking UNvaccinated dogs...or at least I'm not. I'm talking about overvaccinating.

Groomers and kennels require what the vets told them they should require once upon a time. Times have changed. Not all vets have. Hence why Dr. Joe Schmoe DVM still pushes yearly vaccines even though research and evidence has proven this is not only unneccesary, but harmful.

As far as border requirements, I have no idea there. But I would assume titering your dog and providing the paperwork along with a letter of explanation from your vet would suffice...though I can't say for certain.

Hannah has not had a parvo vaccine since she was 5 months old. Her latest titer showed she is still perfectly immune, yet a vet might have given her another at one year of age, and then again at two years of age. Why? It wouldn't have helped her immunity any, but it could've possibly caused detrimental side effects. That's my point. Don't fix what ain't broke, ya know?

What references did you find most useful when you were researching this topic?
__________________
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:33 AM.


©1997-2013 Chazhound Dog Site