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Old 06-07-2005, 02:15 PM
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The media? Please, the media never goes deeper into a story than "Pit Bull Bites Child!" The stuff about overall bites v. bites resulting in severe injury or death I got from a dog writer and checked it on the CDC website - the pdf about the breeds involved in fatal attacks from 1979-1978 is at http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf
Looks like a pretty good study except they use the media reports for half of their data....we all know how acurate that is.



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One of the problems I see with the defensive stonewalling by pit bull people is that their tactics - the dogs are great, you're just biased and hateful - shelter these same terrible owners. There seems to be a trend where people who have trouble with a bad individual of one of these breeds are treated with hostility and suspicion - are you sure that it was a pit bull who tore open your leg, or was it a pit bull mix? - while people who own one are welcomed virtually unexamined into the flock. "Bad owners" doesn't equal "people we don't know who live in a ghetto/trailer."
I disagree that we (pitbull owners and lovers) shelter "bad owners" My whole point is THEY the owner is the villian. If you read that webpage I listed and is in my sig. it clearly states that with the abuse that this breed takes it is amazing they don't attack more often. If most other breeds were as popular with these psychos.

I am the first to call for the "head" of any dog (not pitbulls) who neglects or abuses his dogs. I believe dog ownership is a privledge (that can be revoked) not a right.

In the city of Milwaukee WI alone in 2003, 1300 pitbull dogs were found dead from neglect or abuse. The Huge tragedy here is what Humans are doing to pitbulls not what Pitbulls are doing to People. Way more people die every year from Bee bites that Dog attacks.
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Old 06-07-2005, 04:02 PM
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I disagree that we (pitbull owners and lovers) shelter "bad owners" My whole point is THEY the owner is the villian. If you read that webpage I listed and is in my sig. it clearly states that with the abuse that this breed takes it is amazing they don't attack more often. If most other breeds were as popular with these psychos. In the city of Milwaukee WI alone in 2003, 1300 pitbull dogs were found dead from neglect or abuse. The Huge tragedy here is what Humans are doing to pitbulls not what Pitbulls are doing to People..
The website is quite nice, and the vintage photos of bulldogs beautiful. I've liked pit bulls since college, when strays used to peacefully accompany us to class in the morning (it was an urban campus, so they were more dogs-about-town than wild strays). And I've been sympathetic to their troubles since
reading Vicki Hearne's 1990's book "Bandit: Dossier Of A Dangerous Dog," where she makes many of the same arguments. My reservations today stem from the pro-pit bull backlash by owners which I see as being as irrational and detrimental as the initial surge of anti-pit bull hysteria.

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In the city of Milwaukee WI alone in 2003, 1300 pitbull dogs were found dead from neglect or abuse. The Huge tragedy here is what Humans are doing to pitbulls not what Pitbulls are doing to People..
Insofar as abuse/neglect of pit bulls directly affects the abused/neglected dog, and indirectly often affects innocent third parties (canine and human), I agree.
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My reservations today stem from the pro-pit bull backlash by owners which I see as being as irrational and detrimental as the initial surge of anti-pit bull hysteria.

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Well I am not sure about this group? I have always thought myself as very logical and rational about this topic. If anyone tries to protect Pitbull owners who abuse, neglect or encourage aggression in their dogs is no friend of mine and I agree with you that this can be harmful to the breed and to people. I just see a LOT more of the anti-pit bull hysteria. The biggest drawback of the breed is the prejudice you have to face when you own and walk one.
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I wasn't saying she did tease him, it was just a possibility. I have seen the mail carriers and garbage men being mean to the neighborhood dogs around here. I keep my pit mix inside when I know the mail person or the garbage men will be around. Sorry orion, I misunderstood you.
You might have misunderstood orion since the post was pretty harsh sounding...
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Interesting reading! Just my thoughts on the media: I remember a couple of summers ago, here in the U.S., the media started reporting on shark attacks. It was almost every week you'd be hearing about another human death or near death due to shark attack. The media was making it sound like some strange thing had occurred making the sharks attack humans like something out of a movie. THEN, I heard an expert who explained that there were no more shark attacks this particular summer then any other, in fact, the attacks were actually down. It was just that the media had focused in on sharks that summer. They certainly can manipulate us, I take everything they say with a grain of salt.
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Interesting reading! Just my thoughts on the media: I remember a couple of summers ago, here in the U.S., the media started reporting on shark attacks. It was almost every week you'd be hearing about another human death or near death due to shark attack. The media was making it sound like some strange thing had occurred making the sharks attack humans like something out of a movie. THEN, I heard an expert who explained that there were no more shark attacks this particular summer then any other, in fact, the attacks were actually down. It was just that the media had focused in on sharks that summer. They certainly can manipulate us, I take everything they say with a grain of salt.
That's for sure! The media will just latch on to any ~wave~ of news they can and make it seem bigger than it is just to be newsworthy. My Mom and I were in the Caribbean a few years back when all the shark attack stories were the rage with the media. We went to a restaurant on the water that was known for "ringing the dinner bell" for the sharks and they would swim up and the water was literally BOILING with huge sharks of all shapes and sizes! There was a USA Today reporter there to cover a story on how people felt about that. She ended up having dinner with us -- it was pretty cool and she was very nice (just doing her job). I got quoted in USA Today! I stated that I didn't agree with it and we just wanted a nice meal. The sharks weren't what drew us there. And especially with so many swimming beaches right there on the premises, it wasn't very smart to be doing that. That if people want to see sharks, go to an aquarium and let nature take its course. In other words, don't antagonize the situation...
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Wow Elinhunter, that must've been some sight to see! Thats pretty cool being quoted too!
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Wow Elinhunter, that must've been some sight to see! Thats pretty cool being quoted too!
Well, I do have to admit it was pretty, let's say, surreal. To see all those sharks. They ring the dinner bell and bring them into a bay then throw chum (or whatever they feed them) out to them. I am so totally against that, though. It's kind of like DON'T FEED THE DEER in the National Parks so the wild animals don't rely on humans!
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OMG Bill O'Rielly really did a bang up job at slandering the pitbull, what an idiot he is. He gets on and misquotes stats and emotionalize everything.

He said if he saw a pit bull he would run and climb a tree.....I used to like him
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That was an interesting dinner with eliN and the USA gal !!!! Great meal too !!!! ( whoops....shark!)
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