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Old 08-11-2007, 08:04 PM
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there's no reason why you'd have to give up a pit bull in order to have a family. if the dog is that unstable that you wouldn't trust him around kids, he should probably be euthanized, not passed on.

i read somewhere not too long ago that with all the pit bull fatalities, there has never been a case of a single, speutered pit bull kept as a house dog who has killed a person. that's food for thought, no?

anyway, thick skin is a must. and you really can't be a pushover of an owner. these dogs are smart dogs, and they're athletic dogs, and many of them want what they want and are pretty determined about getting it. "because i said so" isn't usually a good enough answer for a smart dog

you also need to be aware that it's harder to get homeowners or renters insurance, and that BSL is a significant threat that may necessitate all kinds of nonsense from having to move at short notice because the authorities are requiring all pit bulls be gone, to muzzling your dog in public, to posting signs, to having extra insurance.

dog aggression is always an issue, but it's almost always manageable. it's a lot scarier, i think, when it's something you've never dealt with. prey drive toward cats/bunnies/small fuzzies is something you need to consider as well. they are terriers!

grooming requirements are almost nil, aside from nails. some dogs do have significant skin and allergy issues, especially blue pit bulls. other health concerns include hip dysplasia, cruciate tears, hypothyroidism, and cancer.

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Old 08-11-2007, 08:29 PM
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prey drive toward cats/bunnies/small fuzzies is something you need to consider as well. they are terriers!
This is my main (almost only) worry. I have two cats (who i hope will still be alive when I get my own place) so I need a dog who will not hunt them down. If i got a 2 or 3 year old from a shelter who is good with cats what are the chances that would change?

Yeah I don't see why I might have to give up my dog to have a family. If that were the case then i would not get one in the first place.
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Old 08-11-2007, 10:17 PM
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This is my main (almost only) worry. I have two cats (who i hope will still be alive when I get my own place) so I need a dog who will not hunt them down. If i got a 2 or 3 year old from a shelter who is good with cats what are the chances that would change?

Yeah I don't see why I might have to give up my dog to have a family. If that were the case then i would not get one in the first place.
That's true.

the workers at my dad's farm say Turok killed a skunk in the first week he came there O-o

You have to cosiderate the posibility that some family members or friends of your even if they likes dogs they are goin to say things like

"get rid of it, is goin to attack you"

"why do you whant that?"

"you are crazy"

"stuped dog"

"is goin to bite me"

"be carefull"

And other things, I think they say this thing, not beacause they animals, but more 'cause they care about your safety, they are still many people who belive pit bulls are blood thristy killers.


Also you need to have a plan if the goverment in your city desides to ban the breed; if it wasen't that my dad has a farm where we can take Turok, he had to put to sleep.

They just one day in the newspaper they say

"all the pit bulls,dogo argentinos, fila brasileiros and any type of bull terrier" have a one week deathline of getting out of this city or any police or vet that sees one have the order of conficate the dog and sacrifice it, plus a bill of $500"
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Old 08-12-2007, 12:24 PM
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Hey Maxy24; I was sort of in the same spot as you; but I was older (24) when I got my APBT Indy. I decided when I moved out of my house and on my own that I wanted an APBT, so set about researching; I was interested in a registered dog, joined a local club for them so I could hang out and learn about the various temperaments, joined a local Responsible Dog Owner's club that was focussed on taking dog owner's to a responsible view on their large breed misunderstood dogs (mostly APBT, Rotties, Dobes). Learned lots and my dog trainer friend was given an APBT pup as a payment for lessons, after asking if I would like him.
Indy was amazing, loved everyone, would get in anyone's car to go for a ride (and often did), would go next door to visit my neighbour for treats, went to horseshows and dog shows and carnivals - he did a lot for our town with regards to "pitbull" perception.
It helped immensely that he was stone cold - no aggression to other dogs or cats; the only time I saw an aggressive move from him was when I was walking the baby in the baby buggy and a Rottie came running out barking and carrying on - Indy got between the buggy and the dog quite quickly and started puffing up in that intense "pitbull" look that is so common to hotter dogs; I however leashed him and just kept walking; once we were by the Rottie; no worries.
Indy was very obedient; not necessarily the fastest at responding; but corrections needed were minimal.
He was not a guard dog; no barking if someone pulled up to the door; simply met them at the door with tail wagging. Everyone who warned me that he was going to eat the children or myself or etc, etc. was happily surprised at what a clown he truly was. I dearly miss my big goober. Here he is with my son.

Conversely, my dog trainer friend acquired a red/red nose bitch from California (or so was claimed by the trucker that dropped the puppy into her hands at her training facility).
Lucy is still around; lovely dog; has some skin problems. Very obedient as well, and again the world's biggest suck. She is more loyal to her owner than Indy was; she'd at least look back to see if my friend cared if Lucy left with someone else. She however will eat cats (has tried - one cat has a 1/2 tail after it stuck out from under the bathroom door) and doesn't like other dogs in her face; she will tolerate some non-intrusive dogs; usually opposite sex, seems to really NOT like other terriers.
Both dogs were fine with each other (when I visited) but Indy didn't particularily care if other dogs were around; and that suited Lucy just fine.

I think the worst thing from a "pit bull" is that intense screaming that they do when they want something - Indy did it when I tethered him outside so I could go in and buy us some icecream, Lucy does it still (she's 9 now) when she is in the vet's waiting room and there are cats around.

Management is the key for these breeds; but barring possible dog aggression/cat aggression (which if you are adopting an older dog from the shelter should be already evaluated) I would definitely consider a APBT; I would still consider one in my position; however my lovely province has banned them and there are some serious POS dogs out there; because the responsible breeders can't breed.
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Old 08-12-2007, 09:17 PM
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Yeah I would be willing to do a sport with him. what sort of sports do they generally like/excel in?
Weight pull is a big one for this breed. I do obedience and agility with my dog, both of which she's quite good at. (The only question of the latter two sports is whether your dog can be trusted off-lead with other dogs in the vicinity.) There are people who do dock diving with their APBTs. And other folks do Schutzhund or French Ring. Really, these guys have the versatility to do a lot of different things.
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Old 08-13-2007, 01:54 AM
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I'm on the fence here . Having dogs before children , I never wanted a breed that I might have to give up after a family .
I'm confused. Why would you think that? But forgive me, it's late, and I've been extremely exhausted these past few weeks.

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If i got a 2 or 3 year old from a shelter who is good with cats what are the chances that would change?
You have a fairly good chance that that won't change. By the age of 2-3, their personality, including DA, is pretty much set. Because, contrary to some beliefs, DA and prey drive cannot be socialized or trained out of APBT/AmStaffs, no more then herding drive can be trained out of border collies, or prey drive out of huskies. You can have dog-social APBTS, and BCs that won't herd, or huskies that are best friends with cats. But it really has little to do with training or socialization.

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Old 08-13-2007, 04:06 AM
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I am a first time owner of an APBT. He is 8 months old.

My experience with reggin....

He has a TON of energy constantly. He gets bored very quick. He loves to chew and get into things if he is not watched or doesnt have enough toys. Crate training is a must, in my opinion. Pit bulls need to be walked every day and they live off of attention. They have very active minds and can figure things out quickly.

He lives with 2 small dogs. A tiny chihuahua and a pug. He treats them like his siblings. Would NEVER hurt them or "hunt them down". If I had a cat, he would treat him just the same.

As far as DA goes. Reggin loves playing with friendly dogs, but he is still a puppy. Very aloof of strange dogs, though. I have been to the dog parks many times and a lot of pit bulls love to bully other dogs around. Some pits cannot be around other dogs!

Reggin LOVES people and kids. The only thing I worry about is reggin knocking a kid down from excitement, NOT aggression. He loves attention from everyone and anyone. He does get spooked by people walking by the house at night, and will bark to let me know.

He is very strong at only 8 months. Strongest dog I have ever had at his age. I have had a german shepherd, chow, lab, and rottweiler in the past. Leash pulling can become a problem so expect training!!
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Old 08-13-2007, 07:06 AM
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just keep in mind that at 8 months, reggin is still very much a puppy. dog-aggression often does not set in until around 2 years of age, sometimes earlier sometimes later. so while he's happy and amiable around your small dogs and around dogs at the dog park now, that very well could change in the future. i would stop taking him to the dog park and i would be sure that you're separating him from your other dogs when you're not there to supervise.

better to be safe than to have a tragedy on your hands that could have been avoided.
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Old 08-13-2007, 10:32 AM
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Thanks so much you guys!! This is helping a lot. I feel more confident about getting one in the future. My main worries were cat problems and DA (mostly cat problems) so I will most likely be getting like a three year old. I wish I could one now, but there is College an the fact that my entire family hates Pits.

guys like this (I over use Petfinder lol)
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Old 08-13-2007, 10:55 AM
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If DA worries you, which is understandable, don't get a Pit. Not that I have anything against them, but there are many other breeds that prehaps match your criterea better than a Pit Bull does. I personally wouldn't consider bringing a dog into my home without fully knowing that I could care for its needs and that including managing (potentially) dog aggression. There are other Bully type breeds like the Boxer that might be worth looking into. Just some food for thought.
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