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Old 07-27-2007, 02:45 PM
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I never compared them, was responding to a previous post. My family had GSD they whole time I grew up, nice dogs. Not nearly as bad as you are making them out. Now they were conformation type, not working. But I wouldn't recomend a working dog of any variety as a first time dog.
That is the problem with many working breeds today. People see the "show" dogs and expect that is what all the dogs of that breed are like. GSD's were created as WORKING DOGS and over time their temperaments have changed drastically, and most "GSD's" can be compared to labs and goldens, but they are not true representations of the breed. People underestimate GSD's and it upsets me. I see my breed getting destroyed because of people false perceptions. I am in no way making them out to be monsters, but they are not cuddly, social, couch potatoe dogs. They are a very stable minded breed but are protective, drivey, and can be agressive at times.
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Old 07-27-2007, 02:49 PM
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Showdawgs, but that is the same with anyworking breed that is popular. A working lab is NOTHING like those huge ponderous dogs you see in the show ring. A confomation lab makes a great first dog. A field lab can make some of my JRTs look laid back.
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Old 07-27-2007, 02:56 PM
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ACD's and they are not for people experienced with calmer breeds only either. You need to understand a far more intelligent thinking and working dog to own these and understand that nipping is what they do.
You can not own one and strive to change that which was bred into it.
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Old 07-27-2007, 03:03 PM
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That is the problem with many working breeds today. People see the "show" dogs and expect that is what all the dogs of that breed are like. GSD's were created as WORKING DOGS and over time their temperaments have changed drastically, and most "GSD's" can be compared to labs and goldens, but they are not true representations of the breed. People underestimate GSD's and it upsets me. I see my breed getting destroyed because of people false perceptions. I am in no way making them out to be monsters, but they are not cuddly, social, couch potatoe dogs. They are a very stable minded breed but are protective, drivey, and can be agressive at times.
If you care to use the search button, you will find that a great number of people feel the same way. That said, most American GSDs are very different than the German Working lines or the Czech lines. There are are likely to be very few first time dog owners looking into those lines.

The majority of GSDs with American breeders, shelters, or rescues, are not working lines and could make a good pet for the first time dog owner. No matter what we think the breed should be, there are many show type GSDs who need homes and may be fine. We can all hope that that first time owner sees the potential in that dog and "upgrades" to a proven working line dog in the future though.
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Old 07-27-2007, 04:08 PM
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Showdawgs, but that is the same with anyworking breed that is popular. A working lab is NOTHING like those huge ponderous dogs you see in the show ring. A confomation lab makes a great first dog. A field lab can make some of my JRTs look laid back.
I understand that, but my focus is the GSD not any other breed. My concern is people, who think all GSD's are great family pets, then they go overseas and import a GSD (not knowing the difference between lines) and get a dog they weren't expecting. I've seen this happen too many times. Two of my dogs, Mace and Sasha came to me as a result of that. People importing dogs because they were not aware of the gap between working and show dogs. It kills me to see wonderful GSD's in shelters because the owners were unaware of the GSD's true temperament. People (non-dog people) do not understand the difference between working lines and show lines in any working breed, and unless they are told about the different lines and such they will assume that all dogs of the same breed are the same.
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Old 07-27-2007, 04:12 PM
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So why don't these breeders of working dogs, explain to, or refuse, the prospective owners. I don't sell JRTs to pet homes (for the most part) because they are not your typical pet dog. To me the breeders should educate the buyers. I have turned many people away from my breed.

And I would be soooo picky if I was to sell a pup out of country, as its harder to get it back if something goes wrong.
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If you care to use the search button, you will find that a great number of people feel the same way. That said, most American GSDs are very different than the German Working lines or the Czech lines. There are are likely to be very few first time dog owners looking into those lines.

The majority of GSDs with American breeders, shelters, or rescues, are not working lines and could make a good pet for the first time dog owner. No matter what we think the breed should be, there are many show type GSDs who need homes and may be fine. We can all hope that that first time owner sees the potential in that dog and "upgrades" to a proven working line dog in the future though.
The average person does not know that there is a difference. If you want to go ahead and say GSD's are great for first time owners, fine, but make sure you explain the difference between showlines and working lines.
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Old 07-27-2007, 04:20 PM
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So why don't these breeders of working dogs, explain to, or refuse, the prospective owners. I don't sell JRTs to pet homes (for the most part) because they are not your typical pet dog. To me the breeders should educate the buyers. I have turned many people away from my breed.

And I would be soooo picky if I was to sell a pup out of country, as its harder to get it back if something goes wrong.
I know, and alot of that falls back on the breeders. I dont know how any responsible breeder would place my Mace in a home with 6 bratty children. His behaviors and tendencies didnt just magically appear one day . Alot of breeder overseas have incredible dogs but are more concerned about the profit, IMO and improving their own breeding program, not concerned with the ones they dont need. but then again people can be very sneaky and can pass extensive screening. And if you have all the money in the world you can get whatever you want.
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Old 07-27-2007, 04:28 PM
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The average person does not know that there is a difference. If you want to go ahead and say GSD's are great for first time owners, fine, but make sure you explain the difference between showlines and working lines.
The average person also does not have access to the working lines. The majority of them are tightly controlled by the breeders who do take the time to turn down unsuspecting homes. There are very few in shelters or rescues and probably none in pet stores. Worrying about the 1% in a thread like this is really just wasting time and energy...
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Old 07-27-2007, 04:32 PM
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A dog is a dog is a dog. I don't think a universal "beginner dog" exists. Are there dogs that are easier to manage in terms of intensity? Yes, definitely. But every dog has something that's intense and difficult about them, and it depends on what kind of traits the new owner wants to deal with. Some people would rather deal with dog-aggression than an overabundance of energy. Some would rather have a dog prone to being nervous rather than over-protective. Everyone wants to say that their breed is not for beginners because I think all of us have seen our breed in shelters because it was "too much" for some people - but in reality, dogs in general aren't easy to own with very little knowledge of animals. It has less to do with the breed, and more to do with how prepared the new owner is.
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