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Old 06-25-2007, 04:47 PM
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I think for working dogs its not just for show. My husky broke her tail and that was over seven years ago and to this day wont let me touch her tail. My docked dog on the other hand likes his stub and but rubbed so I don't buy that its sooo traumatic.

I could go on on this subject for hours but thats the short part
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Old 06-25-2007, 05:38 PM
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So true , Romy !!! They are coffee table sweepers !
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Old 06-25-2007, 07:25 PM
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Dekka, I didn't read your link but I have read one I think is similiar.. a man crossed a Boxer with a tail-less Corgi, and got tail-less Boxers that excelled in the breed ring. I think we ought to do this with many naturally docked breeds if possible (and I say that b/c of temperament and coat standards.. not sure how hard that is to breed out) to ensure that if we lose the fight against the AR activists (and from what I am seeing, we will) we can still have our breeds that look like the standard.


I was not suggesting we dock Greyhounds. I'm a little annoyed those of you read it that way--after re-reading my post I still cannot understand how that was misconstrued. I was simply saying a Greyhound type tail. Long, thing, whiplike. I wanted a visual aide. Since most of us don't get to see your average Doberman Pinscher tail, simply saying a "Dobie tail" doesn't usually work.

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Old 06-25-2007, 07:42 PM
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Noludoru, My reply wasn;t directed at you, I understood what you were saying, i was replying to Taratippy who seemed to be confused as to why Greys have thin tails and aren't docked
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Old 06-25-2007, 08:36 PM
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I am truly sorry for starting this topic. The reason I was asking is because of this.

If a reason for docking is purely for esthetics then I am opposed to it being done.

For the dogs that have a reason for them being docked then fine great, do it.

I find it a touch upsetting that people would chose to get a different breed if they couldn't dock their tails anymore.

IMO, I think, that if you are doing it simply because the breed standard says to and for no other reason but that then I think the breed standard should be changed.

I have met Rottweilers for instance, with tails and think they are absolutely perfect. The way god intended them to be.

I also am done with thread, even though I started it.
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Old 06-25-2007, 08:41 PM
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Some ACDs who are work dogs only are docked for a less chance of injury to their tails.
As far as I'm aware, docking an ACDs tail is not common practice even if it does work. Certainly not in Australia. You'd be given the most horrified looks on earth if you walked around with a docked ACD in a country town down here (and that's before the banning), or people would be asking what kind of accident it had. LOL
What you do in America is probably different though. I'd honestly never in my life heard of anyone docking an ACDs tail until I started talking to Americans.

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i was replying to Taratippy who seemed to be confused as to why Greys have thin tails and aren't docked
I don't think it was confusion, I think it was more a comparison of companion dogs with the same type of tail. Both can suffer the same injuries but only one is docked for that reason.
But yes, you're right...greyhounds need that tail for balance.

As against docking as I am (and I'm fine with true working dogs being docked -and cropped...if it's really needed-), I don't think docking does the dog any harm...so honestly as long as it's done humanely, I'm happy to let people make their own choice. As long as they don't expect me to agree with them about it. We're all entitled to our opinions and both sides have valid points.

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Old 06-25-2007, 08:46 PM
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Here is what I wrote to another person in a PM about this subject when they were discrete enough to ask me in private.

The docking issue has divided people in my breed, and caused rifts, hatred, vendettas, bad feelings, and etc. People have back stabbed others, lost friendships, and it is a SORE SUBJECT where I"m concerned. It is a hot button issue for most people. This is why I REFUSE to discuss it on a public board, other than this ONE REPLY, which will be the ONLY one from me on the subject.

What follows here is my own personal opinion. And again, I will not debate nor discuss any further my position on this issue. Period.

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For me, a Rottweiler with a tail is simply not a Rottweiler. The docked silhouette is a hallmark of the breed, and for me, essential to breed type. If its no longer docked, it is not my favorite breed any more.

The docking issue/struggle has been a hot button passionate issue in the Rottweiler world for going on 15 years. We watched helplessly as Germany let docking get outlawed there. Then we watched as the right to dock fell in country after country, nearly globally.

The American Rottweiler Club has taken a STRONG STANCE that the Rottweiler is a docked breed. MOST breeder judges will NOT judge a tailed exhibit in the AKC breed ring, since our breed standard clearly states "Tail: Docked short leaving one or two vertebra."

Fighting for the right to dock and to keep the Rottweiler docked in the US has been a huge part of my life for over a decade. I breed dogs to the breed standard which is in effect in the country in which I live. I could not, will not, and shall not EVER own or sell a Rottweiler that is not docked.

I'm not sure I can explain it further. I have another breed selected, I have done my research, and I"m in contact with breeders, because sadly, I think docking will be a thing of the past in the next 15 years globally.

And what is really sad is companion animals, dog shows, selective breeding, and purebred dogs alltogether will likely follow within 50 years.

Getting rid of docking is just one step in the AR agenda. You can agree with or oppose docking all you want. When there are no more dogs it will be a moot point, now won't it? (may I point to California as a prime example for you...Also states of Minnesota, Illinois, Ohio, Washington State, and District of Columbia have legislation proposed RIGHT NOW to outlaw or severely restrict numerous breeds, including Rottweilers.....The ARs march on while we argue among ourselves....divide and conquer, and they are)

This is my opinion on this issue. With all due respect to all of you, I do not intend to discuss it any further, and will not refer to it again on these boards. It is a monumentally upsetting and depressing topic for me.


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Old 06-25-2007, 09:02 PM
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As far as I'm aware, docking an ACDs tail is not common practice even if it does work. Certainly not in Australia. You'd be given the most horrified looks on earth if you walked around with a docked ACD in a country town down here (and that's before the banning), or people would be asking what kind of accident it had. LOL
What you do in America is probably different though. I'd honestly never in my life heard of anyone docking an ACDs tail until I started talking to Americans.

Cass.

Responsible breeders in America will NOT dock the tails. This is incorrect. Another possible reason for the confusion is that there is such a breed as the Australian Stumpy Tail Cattle dog. This breed is NATURALLY born with a docked tail. They are very similar to ACD's, but not the same breed.
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Old 06-25-2007, 09:09 PM
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Oh and I want to thank everyone for discusing this.
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Old 06-25-2007, 09:10 PM
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Please don't be sorry you started the thread. I think some people who get upset , explaining things, need to re evaluate (just MO) I do dock. So I am not anti docking. I will tell people why I do it. I will agree to disagree. I will not get huffy, how else are people supposed to learn and talk about it, if those who do it get all defensive?
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