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Old 06-22-2007, 08:34 PM
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It depends on if they are bred for work or show.
ugg exactly, the ones with protection drive (working dogs) are dog aggressive, and the ones that don't have it (show/pet homes), love everyone even the intruders!
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Great Pry back 100 years ago did have human protection drive.
We bred it out of them to get along with the once huge farms now turning to yards.
I have met working great pyranees who still do have the protection ability.
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Old 06-22-2007, 08:41 PM
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I think you still need major research on dogs, you need to work in rescue to understand the points you made were unvalid.

A boxer fits all your needs minus a small ***37; they are NOT the best for serious protection.

Another option would be a Cane Corso but again based on your posts you are not ready for a Corso ( adult).

Your original post was great your answer to me was a bit non researched.

Here is a link to Boxer doing Protection

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Working livestock dogs should NOT be dog aggressive.
They are dog dominant.
I have a pack of 13 and can mix intact males together with the sheep with females ( Minus heat cycles).

LGdS defense drives allows them to kill Coyotes and Coy dogs .
But they can live fine with other dogs if they come from lines proven to work.
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why do you feel so threatened? would moving solve the problem?
Because I'm constantly having to defend wanting a dog that can protect me.

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Do you want a living weapon? Why do you feel you need this?
I have already explain this. Re-read my post.

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Is there something you aren't telling us?
No
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Working livestock dogs should NOT be dog aggressive.
They are dog dominant.
I have a pack of 13 and can mix intact males together with the sheep with females ( Minus heat cycles).

LGdS defense drives allows them to kill Coyotes and Coy dogs .
But they can live fine with other dogs if they come from lines proven to work.
I did not say that they were. I said they had the protection ability.
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Old 06-22-2007, 08:49 PM
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Black dog I dont cut and paste cause it is a bit to debative.
You did not post it someone else did.

Visit a UKC show they are easier to get into but not easy to find.
Most breeder there will be able to help you and show you what working dogs that show can do.

http://www.ukcdogs.com
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we have lots of sheep farms around, and lots of protection dogs, pyrs, akbash, mareemas etc. They are dog aggressive with dogs they don't know. I can't take my dogs down the road for a walk. But the one farm had 100 lambs killed by coyotes one year. Since the dogs there have been very few. Now yes they have multiple dogs living out with the sheep to cover the 300+ acres (in case the herd splits) they are fine together. But heaven forbid a strange dog strays into their territory! They take the sheep protection business seriously.

Black dog>> I did read your posts. I asked why do you feel threatened, meaning in RL. Not here on the forum. If you feel threatened on a forum, where we are all trying to help you, cause we care maybe you need to relax a little and try not to feel so defensive.
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Wow, people, she wanted breed suggestions. Not to tell her life story. I sometimes feel the need for a larger dog that could protect me if I needed it, it doesn't mean I'm a drug dealer or being hunted by serial killers.

That being said, I think a working-bred LGD is a bit overkill for apartment security, and indeed. But when did Blackdog insist on a LGD?

To 99% of people who try to mess with someone, a growling/barking dog is enough to make them reconsider and pick another target. People keep their distance at night when I'm walking with my border collies (weighing in at a massive 65lbs COMBINED), even when the dogs aren't doing anything but walking alongside me. So any dog will provide SOME security.
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Old 06-22-2007, 09:05 PM
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Cant hijack the thread by posting definations of terms.
I will post a new thread next week with dog aggression dogs bred to fight vs lgds dogs bred to protect.

Sometimes the more time you spend trying to convince someone to stay away from certain breeds or groups of breeds-It backfires.

Normally when i give suggestions we find a happy medium in another breed of dog . After I suggest that a LGD is NOT good for them.
Ive helped sell many Fila, Cane Corso and RR by doing this.

LGDS are nuisance barkers not good for aparts.
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