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Old 06-22-2007, 06:13 PM
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If you do not need real protection you have tons of breeds that can do well in a small setting of a apartment.
But I do need real protection
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Old 06-22-2007, 06:14 PM
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Well someone on chaz posted a do it all dog thread
In which I stated the GSD does it all and it does.

But dogs are created for a reason and for special tasks.

Guard dogs are specialists and are obtained by people who want protection first - pet 2nd...

THus the dogs you listed are much more of a PET and to someone who wants in they are nothing but a fly to swat.

But for the burgler looking for a quick robbery they tend to stay away from apartments that make noise. Thus a toy terrier can make many think twice about coming to your apt vs the next doors that have a cat.
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Old 06-22-2007, 06:17 PM
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Be careful with Boxers. They're great dogs, but for the first 3-4 years of their lives, they are WIRED. The energy levels would be a concern, I'd think.

I live with one who is a terrific, lazy companion and a convincing guard dog, but he's just settled down in the last couple years, and he's 8 years old.
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Old 06-22-2007, 06:22 PM
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Most guardian dogs do not do well in apart setings because of

1. Noise complaints
2. They need allot of exercise first few years to grow up in a yard and then make transition to a apt.
3. They may protect you from your Mail man
4. They require allot of socializing other wise they are a liability
5. They can live 10-15 years and even thou u may not care about shedding.
Your future mate or friend may.
6. In Some cities they require special insurance.
7. Most aparts do not like dogs let alone guardian breeds.
8. Guardian dogs are normally large thus comes a whole thing on health issues that can cost money to maintain.
9. They can get bored when nothing is done but barking and redirect this frustration on your belongings.
10. Boarding - vacations - 911 things are hard to handle when you have a guard dog.

Thus 10 reasons not to have a real guard dog in a apart.

Best of luck in your choice.
If you ever get a small yard pls post I will send some Molosser rescues your way .
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Old 06-22-2007, 06:22 PM
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Guard dogs are specialists and are obtained by people who want protection first - pet 2nd....
I don't know if I agree with that. If protection is their number 1 priority they'd buy a gun before buying a dog. Easier to maintain, less upkeep, less expense. If they buy a guarding breed they buy it for pet 1st, protection 2nd, or at least that's the way it should be.

I really do believe a boxer would protect their owner if the occasion called for it, and that's one of the breeds I listed.
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Old 06-22-2007, 06:49 PM
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Most guardian dogs do not do well in apart setings because of.
Again, it doesn't have to be a breed that most people first think of when you say "guardian breeds"

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2. They need allot of exercise first few years to grow up in a yard and then make transition to a apt.
So I could rescue an adult.

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3. They may protect you from your Mail man.
So people with houses don't have mail mans? It is my understanding that most apartments have a area, either at the side of the road or in a comins area, where the mail is deposited into small mail boxes, or atleast the ones around here do. Either way, it doesn't matter.

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4. They require allot of socializing other wise they are a liability.
Like I said before, I am going to be doing obediance classes with this dog. I've done a obediance class with my papillon.

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5. They can live 10-15 years and even thou u may not care about shedding.
Your future mate or friend may.
If they do they aren't moving in, or I'm not going to move in with them. This sinerio can happen with any breed, not just protection dogs in apartments.

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6. In Some cities they require special insurance..
I'm very aware of that. I know it depends on the breed. Some breeds are banned altogether. Some have to be fixed. Certain breeds can't be sold in some counties. Some insuranses won't cover certain breeds. Many apartments won't allow certain breeds, etc.................
I know all about it. I am not the average animal lover. I will move mountains to get/keep the best dog for my lifestyle. I will not buy a breed that doesn't fit my needs and/or I can't fit its needs.

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8. Guardian dogs are normally large thus comes a whole thing on health issues that can cost money to maintain....
I'm aware of the expense. I'm going to start a seperate savings account for vet bills before I get my dog. Like I said before, this is still a few years down the road. I have lots of time to save up.

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9. They can get bored when nothing is done but barking and redirect this frustration on your belongings...
And so can any other breed, living in a apartment or not.

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10. Boarding - vacations - 911 things are hard to handle when you have a guard dog. ..
I'm personally against boarding. My dog(s) are my family. They are either going to stay with a trusted friend, or they are going to come on vacation with me.
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Old 06-22-2007, 07:15 PM
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This is super hard advice to give someone since each and every dog is it's own individual...even if bred to be a certain way, not all dogs will follow those "you're supposed to be like this" rules. If I were you I'd keep your mind open to a "non" purebreed. I'd get them at a young enough age where you can still do some of the imprinting yourself to shape their behavior in the manner you'd like...or as much as a dog can be shaped by a human I'd say shepherd or pitt mix would be a great dog for your needs, however a young one would definately have some energy. In my experience I've seen Rotts do well in an apartment setting (of course with regular exersise) and they will scare the poop out of any unsuspecting intruder with their bark alone.
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This is super hard advice to give someone since each and every dog is it's own individual...even if bred to be a certain way, not all dogs will follow those "you're supposed to be like this" rules..
Is it? or does it just take more research than poping out a list of tradional guard breeds?

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If I were you I'd keep your mind open to a "non" purebreed.
I want a purebred because of the health warrenty. So I guess rescue is officially out now also. I could get a retired champion or adult from a breeder though. They sometimes have them.
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I'd say shepherd or pitt mix would be a great dog for your needs, however a young one would definately have some energy. In my experience I've seen Rotts do well in an apartment setting (of course with regular exersise) and they will scare the poop out of any unsuspecting intruder with their bark alone.

So we got..

older GSD
older rottie
older boxer
maybe a clumber
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Old 06-22-2007, 07:32 PM
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hmm--seems like you refute each suggestions given to you--are you sure you want input, or maybe just a debate?
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