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Old 06-14-2007, 11:59 PM
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Funny.. never heard of her.

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1. f. Aversión o antipatía hacia uno.
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1. f. Aversion or antipathy towards one.
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–noun
1. a strong feeling of dislike, opposition, repugnance, or antipathy (usually fol. by to): a strong aversion to snakes and spiders.
2. a cause or object of dislike; person or thing that causes antipathy: His pet aversion is guests who are always late.
3. Obsolete. the act of averting; a turning away or preventing.
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Old 06-15-2007, 12:07 AM
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Seeing how you have nver heard of one of the longest established breeders of Fila in the USA and the first CAFIB Fila breeder outside of Brazil says a lot. Perhaps that is why you believe that Fila is no more dangerous than a toy dog?
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Old 06-15-2007, 12:16 AM
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Did some google searches also.. google didn't have much to say about her either. Anywho, regardless of who or what you say she is... the fila is a wonderful dog and bred appropriately (which means with ojeriza)... will NOT bite, but instead track and hold any danger to its family. To paint the fila as some monster is to paint misconceptions regarding the breed and since you've not owned one perhaps you should let those that have be the ones to inform others regarding the breeds traits. Sounds like a good idea to me.
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Old 06-15-2007, 12:48 AM
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Overall the Fila is not sutable for 99% of potential owners. They are tough guard dogs. Unless you live in a rural setting and really have a reason to fear for your life a Fila probably isn't for you. Too much can go wrong in an average home that would make a Fila a liability, not an asset.

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Sorry but I have to agree with the above statement while at the same time recognising that there are a number of experienced Fila owners and handlers contributing here.
What I will suggest is that it sounds very much like some of the North American lines have been bred for a softer temperament so I will talk of my working line South American Fila's.
Fila take time to develop their temp and this can kick in at anything from 8 to 36 months. Yes they will be protective before hand and it might be cute when Rover has a growl lunge or snap at a stranger but when Rover "comes of age" it is anything but cute, trust me I have hosed the blood down on two occassions.
I will also suggest that if anyone thinks they have 100% control of their Fila at all times they are living with the Fairy's. If a Fila's threat assessment is different to yours there is no amount of "out" that will stop that animal doing what it wants. Yes it is a Fila, a hold dog, yes it will take you down by your upper body or head but it will bite and it will bite hard.
With the greatest respect- to compare a Fila to a Chihuaha is ridiculous and totally irresponsible and it will end in tears.
There is no place for a Fila in a typical city / urban environment with an average owner and while I love my gentle (to us) loving beautiful guys I would never consider having one if my living situation was different.
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:08 AM
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Sorry but I have to agree with the above statement while at the same time recognising that there are a number of experienced Fila owners and handlers contributing here.
What I will suggest is that it sounds very much like some of the North American lines have been bred for a softer temperament so I will talk of my working line South American Fila's.
Fila take time to develop their temp and this can kick in at anything from 8 to 36 months. Yes they will be protective before hand and it might be cute when Rover has a growl lunge or snap at a stranger but when Rover "comes of age" it is anything but cute, trust me I have hosed the blood down on two occassions.
I will also suggest that if anyone thinks they have 100% control of their Fila at all times they are living with the Fairy's. If a Fila's threat assessment is different to yours there is no amount of "out" that will stop that animal doing what it wants. Yes it is a Fila, a hold dog, yes it will take you down by your upper body or head but it will bite and it will bite hard.
With the greatest respect- to compare a Fila to a Chihuaha is ridiculous and totally irresponsible and it will end in tears.
There is no place for a Fila in a typical city / urban environment with an average owner and while I love my gentle (to us) loving beautiful guys I would never consider having one if my living situation was different.
Thank you, finally a voice of reason.
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Old 06-15-2007, 02:59 AM
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Well then look out Pit Bull there is a new dog in town. I am sorry but if they are what you say they are then why would people make pets out of them ? Not buying all of this.
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Old 06-15-2007, 04:17 AM
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Well then look out Pit Bull there is a new dog in town. I am sorry but if they are what you say they are then why would people make pets out of them ? Not buying all of this.
Thats exactly the point raised by House of Jurai.

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Overall the Fila is not sutable for 99% of potential owners. They are tough guard dogs. Unless you live in a rural setting and really have a reason to fear for your life a Fila probably isn't for you. Too much can go wrong in an average home that would make a Fila a liability, not an asset.
My suggestion, given that so many seem to have them as normal pets in the US was

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What I will suggest is that it sounds very much like some of the North American lines have been bred for a softer temperament so I will talk of my working line South American Fila's.
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There is no place for a Fila in a typical city / urban environment with an average owner and while I love my gentle (to us) loving beautiful guys I would never consider having one if my living situation was different.
My living situation is that I am in a third world country running a high profile business working many nights and prior to having my dogs my house was attacked every month or so. Since having them it has been attacked only twice in over two and a half years. My wife and daughter now sleep soundly.

Nobody is suggesting that they are nasty people hating killing machines just that they are highly protective of their family and property and capable of inflicting serious damage very quickly and therefore a responsible owner needs to identify anything that can be perceived as a threat by the animal before the animal sees it. Lawsuits are expensive.

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Well then look out Pit Bull there is a new dog in town.
For sure! Just as loving Just as devoted Just as cuddly but just a bit bigger!
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Old 06-15-2007, 05:39 AM
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Well then look out Pit Bull there is a new dog in town. I am sorry but if they are what you say they are then why would people make pets out of them ? Not buying all of this.
Because like its been said before, a lot of the North American "breeders" breed down their temperment and make them softer so they appeal to more people...or should I say customers, so they can sell more.

I have met and spent time with real ranch-dog Filas in Brazil (my heritage) and have met a few North American show Filas. They looked similar but dang were their temperments a heck of a lot different! I never put my hands on the ranch dogs. They would tolerate me being around because their owners told them to. They would accompany us off leash and without a muzzle as we horseback rode or took the truck around the ranch. They would always be watching me but never attacked me because the owner told them I'm cool. Doesnt mean I could go up and plant a kiss on their nose though. The show dogs in North America, most of them were coming straight to me for attention upon first meeting. I was highly disappointed.
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Old 06-15-2007, 06:56 AM
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I've come to the conclusion that a great deal of the "pollution" of the North American Fila temperament comes from the great numbers of show lines from Brazil that have been imported by the NA breeders. The show lines in Brazil have been bred down severely, temperament-wise to make them more easily handled - and more marketable.

Shiva is a prime example. She and Kharma are worlds apart, temperamentally. Kharma can be function quite well in public, but that's because I've had her out there since she was a baby and she's got the intelligence and the judgement to know the difference between being at home and being out. There are some people she DOES like quite well after she's sized them up; others she won't allow to touch her. No matter what, she always positions herself between me and anyone she doesn't know very well. And even people she knows very well do NOT get out of their cars at the house if she is loose.

The intelligence and discernment factors in these dogs are staggering. They understand where they are, who they are with, and what is expected of them. And, to a great extent, they reflect their owners.
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Old 06-15-2007, 06:56 AM
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I dunno, BP. Jurai certainly has convinced me that Filas are people-hating, baby-killing monsters. It's a darn shame Bella's so cute, otherwise I might have to run from her photographs--if she's really that vicious and unstable, I could be in danger.

Now, by all means, continue. I just had to put my two cents in.


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We posted at the same time.. THERE is what I was waiting for someone to say.
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