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Old 05-14-2007, 08:07 PM
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how do you guys feel about the safteyness (is tha a word?)
of kibble dog foods during this recall? I think that it is safest to go grain free during this recall.
i am getting discouraged at home cooked/raw. i know i am probably not being patient enough but i am seeing no results other than massive hairloss due to diet change.

i am thinking of going back to a kibble. i know all of the good name brands out there, but i can only offord certin ones, and have access to them. also, the vet and i think that Ruckus is allergic to chicken.

if someone can find me a short list of foods that are free of chicken, with a higher protein and fat content i would love it.
i cant find any! i have looked at eagle pack, canidea, royal canin, and a couple of others.
TWO is too pricey BTW
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Old 05-14-2007, 08:09 PM
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There's EVO RM (red meat formula)
Thats the only one that I can think of that doesnt have chicken, maybe someone else will know of any others...
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Old 05-14-2007, 08:12 PM
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oh yeah, i forgot to look at that one!
thanks for reminding me.
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Old 05-14-2007, 08:15 PM
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ya know, grain free would be the safest right now with this recall stuff going on. but i am not sure its the healthiest? from what i read dogs are omnivores and NEED grains and veggies.
however i know that 80% of you guys will disagree. is there any evidence out there supporting rather they need grains or not?

ps. agg, i just seen the price on innova evo RM
omg!!! i wish i could spend that much on dog food
waaaaay to expensive
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Old 05-14-2007, 08:43 PM
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Dogs are NOT omnivores- they are opportunistic carnivores. They thrive on a high protein diet, but will eat foods from other sources if necessary. They do not need grain. The pet food industry wants you to believe they need grain, because most grain is used as cheap fillers (which means more money for these big companies such as Iams, Pedigree, Purina, etc).

This is from Orijen's website, but is a good explanation of why grain free is best:

http://championpetfoods.com/orijen/d...hite_paper.pdf

Solid Gold has a grainfree formula called "Barking at the Moon" which is made with beef.

Also, Timberwolf Organics has a variety of foods without chicken (only 2 of their formulas contain chicken).

Orijen is coming out with a grainfree fish formula this summer as well.
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Old 05-14-2007, 08:45 PM
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jessie most of those foods just are not in my budget right now. seems like i should stick with homecooked/raw diet.
i am getting by for about 15 bucks a month on that.
barking at the moon isnt too bad
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Old 05-14-2007, 08:47 PM
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You mentioned hairloss. What are you feeding Ruckus for his raw diet?
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Beef only diet.
ground beef, beef liver, beef stew meat, rump roast
i go by "the natural diet" it was developed by Wendy Volhard
its 30% grain also. for the grain he gets brown rice, or oatmeal.

Basically Ruckus is shedding non stop. i can brush him daily and get handfulls of hair out!
maybe thats just how much shelties shed?
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Old 05-14-2007, 08:52 PM
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Beef is one of the most common allergens in dogs... do you think that he could possibly be allergic to it? If he is losing fur, it sounds like that could be a likely suspect in his diet.

Do you have access to venison or another protein source such as duck or lamb?

Here is an article on food allergie, if it helps at all:

http://www.puplife.com/dogcaretips/allergies.html
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Old 05-14-2007, 08:55 PM
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if he is allergic to both chicken AND beef then i dont know what i will do.
i have never seen anything else in the stores as far as meat goes. and i am sure that it would be more expensive!!!
i dont know what to do, unless its going back to natural balance and getting duck and potato

he was doing PERFECT on the venison and brown rice but it just HAD to go and get recalled
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