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Old 12-22-2014, 08:20 AM
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As an adult, the situation has never been right to have a dog in my life but thankfully (and finally!) that's all changed. In January I'll start the process of searching for and adopting a rescue. And while I plan to have a conversation with my vet on the subject, I want to educate myself on the topic of food.

If you know of a thread or website that has a basic food primer theme I'd sure appreciate a link. I've done some searching but haven't really turned up anything.


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Old 12-22-2014, 01:42 PM
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Food is such a touchy subject. Lol

There are a few various viewpoints. It seems the big three are that a.) raw feeding is the best, 2.) kibble that is high in protien, low in carbs, and has no grains at all (and is low in potatos, peas, and other starches) is best, and then 3.) food that has had feed trial studies performed on it is better than food that hasn't, regardless of grain inclusive vs exclusive and that just because something says "holistic" on the bag doesn't mean it is good.

I'm in the later group myself, with a foot in the second group and an understanding of the first. Lol

Right now I am feeding Purina Pro Plan Sport 30/20 and love it. It doesn't cause me to go bankrupt, my dogs are doing fantastic on it, and it has had feeding trials done with it.

A client of ours who is big in to all natural/holistic/zero grain food was struggling to find a proper canned food for her cats...and after the vet and I dug in to a lot of various foods, it is amazing what some foods I thought of as good foods had as addititives and in the guaranteed analysis. One brand even had spelling errors on their website. Um. No, thanks. (Fromm and Fussicat canned foods won out in the end, for those interested.)

So....I don't have literature, because every food site out there has a different point of view. I say, stay away from most grocery store brands, stay away from artificial colors, stay away from unnamed meals and unnamed byproducts, and then look at the company producing the food and look at how dogs do on it.
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Old 12-22-2014, 02:10 PM
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I think blackrose pretty much hit the nail on the head for where I stand. I will say though- just because a food a food is largely considered "good", doesn't mean it will work for your dog and just because a food doesn't work for your dog doesn't mean that it isn't good. I know several people who do great on Blue, but Hugo did horribly on it. We switched him to Canidae and he didn't do well on that either. He does best on Fromm, but I know one woman whose dog doesn't do well on it, etc.
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Old 12-22-2014, 02:24 PM
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I was researching this about 6 months ago. From what I could find, there were no scientific studies proving one being better than the other (as in raw or higher quality kibble).

I also would stay away from foods that are found in the grocery store.

There is a big grain free trend right now, but I do not think all dogs need to be on grain free, unless they have allergies of course. With that being said, my dogs are on grain free.

If you can afford extra freezers for raw, go for it. But again, no scientific studies show that dogs do better on it. However, I would say that the health of the teeth seems to be better with the bones. One thing I dislike about the raw trend is there are a lot of ametuers that do not research how to provide a balanced diet when feeding raw. So if you choose this, YOU are responsible for creating a balanced diet.

There are also freeze dried/dehydrated which would be closer to raw than kibble.

One thing I have never really thought too much about was the history of the company and how many and how they handle recalls and such.

As suggested you want a named meat and meal, not "meat and bone" but rather "deboned lamb and lamb meal" avoid all by products, coloring, etc.

I would look for kibble that is in the upper 20's+%, however, I have read kibble like orijen with very high protein levels can be too rich for dogs.

If you are looking for cheap, but good quality I would go with things like fromm gold (not grain free) or taste of the wild (grain free).

If not research the ingredients on various foods, I prefer to see a named meat meal as the first ingredient, because "deboned lamb" is 80% water weight, so when that is cooked out it will no longer be the first ingredient.

I decided to go with Acana, just because I liked knowing where the ingredients are sourced from, the price isn't too bad for my size dogs, and the company has a great history, but is less expensive than their orijen line.

I also like fromm and sometimes get a bag of that, I have decided to feed a rotational diet so if one food is lacking something, it should be balanced out by another. But I really like the companies, have heard nothing but great reviews from people with dogs on both, but most importantly my dogs do well on it (small poops, not stinky, not gassy, good looking hair, like the taste, etc)

In the end, no matter what you decide, no matter how many dogs do good on a certain quality food, you need to monitor your dog and see if he/she is doing well on it. The most you can do is research what foods you are good quality for your budget, and then it's trial and error to see if your dog does well on it.

As a side note though, if you were to be switching from a low quality to a high quality, you will be feeding less- so factor that into cost and if you see your dog having diarrhea, it may be because you are feeding too much.

There are also great posts in this thread, so browse through it, and there are decent Facebook groups about dog food and nutrition.
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Old 12-22-2014, 04:47 PM
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I have read posts where people are stating that their dog has done well/poorly on the same brand so I'm assuming that there will be a certain amount of trial and error. As with most stuff, I'm sure there isn't a single right answer.

What I'm hoping to do is arm myself with some basic information. For example, with engine oil for automobiles I could package a sand and banana mixture, call it synthetic and charge a lot for it. Just because I call it synthetic oil doesn't mean it's great for your engine. I'm sure the same goes for dog food.

So maybe my oil example is extreme but in the end I'd like to be able to identify the sand-banana equivalent in dog food until I become better educated. Certainly I'll be prowling this forum.

Any opinions on the brands that I might find at the farm stores like Rural King and Farm & Fleet?

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Old 12-22-2014, 08:36 PM
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I have read posts where people are stating that their dog has done well/poorly on the same brand so I'm assuming that there will be a certain amount of trial and error. As with most stuff, I'm sure there isn't a single right answer.

What I'm hoping to do is arm myself with some basic information. For example, with engine oil for automobiles I could package a sand and banana mixture, call it synthetic and charge a lot for it. Just because I call it synthetic oil doesn't mean it's great for your engine. I'm sure the same goes for dog food.

So maybe my oil example is extreme but in the end I'd like to be able to identify the sand-banana equivalent in dog food until I become better educated. Certainly I'll be prowling this forum.

Any opinions on the brands that I might find at the farm stores like Rural King and Farm & Fleet?

~Jerry
That is a fine example and that is why reading the ingredient list in full is good. No "by products" because that is the crappy leftovers of an animal not good enough for human consumption. You want named meats (lamb, beef, etc) or they can get it anywhere... Not the best places all the time. So typically the more specific the company is, the better.

One reason I like the smaller family owned businesses and where I know they get their product, again why I like acana/orijen and fromm as companies.
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Old 12-22-2014, 11:37 PM
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That is a fine example and that is why reading the ingredient list in full is good. No "by products" because that is the crappy leftovers of an animal not good enough for human consumption. You want named meats (lamb, beef, etc) or they can get it anywhere... Not the best places all the time. So typically the more specific the company is, the better.

One reason I like the smaller family owned businesses and where I know they get their product, again why I like acana/orijen and fromm as companies.
Eh, I'm actually okay with named by-products, especially if they aren't the main meat source. I mean...my patents' outdoor cats eat byproducts all of the time (they hunt). Just because I see a "chicken by product meal" doesn't make me automatically rule out the food. I'm sure if my dog caught and ate a chicken it would be consuming quite a lot of "by-products".

Yesn it isn't human grade....but I'm pretty sure the named meat meals aren't human grade, either. And I certainly wouldn't eat what my pets eat. Thay doesn't mean it isn't nutritionally sound.

I actually really like a lot of foods sold at farm stores. They tend to carry some good brands. Tractor supply, for example, has 4Health. I've fed the salmon and potato before and my dogs did well on it. I ended up switching from it due to my Chessie (he did poorly on their puppy food and I didn't care for their kcal/cup ratio of the food he did do well on, nor was it AAFCO approved for growth and I couldn't find a Ca:P ratio on it anywhere), but my mom's two dogs still eat it (they're low activity seniors) and they are doing great.
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Old 12-23-2014, 01:28 AM
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There is an awesome book called "Dog Food Logic" (plus a long subtitle I can't remember off the top of my head) by Linda Case. I think it will be exactly what you are looking for - not endorsing any particular food or type of food, just basic information.
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Old 12-24-2014, 11:05 AM
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This the one?


http://www.amazon.com/Dog-Food-Logic...UMub1BQP9J1_tt
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Old 12-24-2014, 11:43 AM
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Here is a primer to selecting dry dog food.

http://www.fidosreviews.com/faq/dog-...lection-guide/

Also, here is a article about the domination of the pet food industry by four companies. Might be good to know too.
http://www.fidosreviews.com/faq/4-bi...ood-companies/

The site is new and is a side hobby of mine.
Hope it helps.
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