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Old 01-08-2007, 12:32 PM
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As much as I think the owners will be happy if he just lives a happy, pain free life, I'm sure they will do everything they can to get him bred. One season at stud could probably pay off all the bills he has accumulated.

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the Thoroughbred racing world doesn't allow artificial insemination
I can't believe they still ban AI. With all the DNA testing available these days, there is no reason to require live cover. It's an unnecessary risk to both the mare and the stallion. They could probably even teach Barbaro to ground collect, so he didn't have to jump up at all.
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Old 01-08-2007, 12:40 PM
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I agree i thought they did only AI since there is alot of risk in live. I do live but i also have sturdier breeds. That was shock to me. I have done AI before tho. The foal we are expecting from when i bred ranger was AI. And we had no issues and it was alot safer. The racing world jsut gets me sometimes lol.
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Old 01-08-2007, 03:10 PM
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AI always kind of makes me uneasy; it's just getting so far from the natural world (I'm not a tree-hugging kind of person, but it's a bit creepy). And then, if the theory about Poco Bueno is correct, AI made the QH's genetic problem of hereditary equine regional dermal asthenia (thank God for google) that much more acute by allowing much more widespread breedings to popular sires who turned out to be carriers of the fatal gene.
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Old 01-08-2007, 04:23 PM
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that is true. Of course i never plan on breeding any of my horses as much as that. 5 breedings top and all live exept in Rangers case where he is sound but was not in shape to breed (fractured cannon) And even then i almost didnt breed until my vet that i have had for Ranger since he was in the womb agreed to do it lol. I think all breedings should be natural for any animal. The only exeptions is a planned breeding and a animal not able to preform because of an accident.
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Old 01-08-2007, 04:29 PM
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I don't know, I can't imagine ever risking my mare or stallion (well, not that I have either, but you know) for live cover. Among other things, it is incredibly hard on the stallion's hocks and back. When you figure that each breeding can take a couple of actual ummmm...matings....that's a lot for a stallion. Both stallions at our farm are done only AI, and in one collection, often shipments can be made to a couple of mare owners. Even with that, during the height of breeding season, they are often collected several times a week.

And obviously, the less a stallion is bred, the less any genetic problems he has will be spread. But you are also limiting how much you can spread really good genes!
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Old 01-08-2007, 04:32 PM
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That is true but if you only breed them 5-6 times that is not enough to seriously do any harm. Any more then that and i feel that better be the BEST horse in his displine and not just one area of it but most. THere are plenty of good genes in the horse world right now and i dont see that changing to soon. I do not agree with breeding like crazy good genes or not.
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Any more then that and i feel that better be the BEST horse in his displine and not just one area of it but most.
Well, I think to be bred at all, any horse had better be one of the very top in their discipline. I'm as picky about horses being bred as most people here are on dogs . Any horse being bred should have clean joint x-rays, be approved by their breed organization (if the breed does approval), and have spectacular bloodlines that are backed up by stong performance.

And yes, both stallions have been inspected and approved by several warmblood registries, and are or have been internationally competitive in their discipline. Both have great bloodlines that have produced a large number of highly competitive horses.

As they say, you breed the best to the best, and you still have to hope for the best!
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Old 01-08-2007, 07:16 PM
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I agree with the top but still dont liek the numbers but i also do not plan to breed to that scale. Im geussing they are English horses? I plan to do Western and concentrate on BR mostly.
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Well, I think to be bred at all, any horse had better be one of the very top in their discipline. I'm as picky about horses being bred as most people here are on dogs . Any horse being bred should have clean joint x-rays, be approved by their breed organization (if the breed does approval), and have spectacular bloodlines that are backed up by stong performance.

And yes, both stallions have been inspected and approved by several warmblood registries, and are or have been internationally competitive in their discipline. Both have great bloodlines that have produced a large number of highly competitive horses.

As they say, you breed the best to the best, and you still have to hope for the best!
If those were the only horses available though most people couldn't afford them. I do think that people breed to haphazardly but there is something to be said for a nicely bred trail or 4-H horse. It's good you have high standards though. I'm definitely not speaking out against that. I just think there's a 'market' or demand for solid pleasure horses as well.
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I just think there's a 'market' or demand for solid pleasure horses as well.
I certainly don't disagree. But I guess I see it like dogs. With dogs, there will always be wonderful mixed breeds. They are going to happen, no matter what. So nobody should be setting out to breed nice mutts. You can find them anywhere.

There will always be super beginner/pleasure/trail horses out there. Nobody needs to strive to produce them. Breeding your nice backyard mare because you love her and want another one is fine, but I would expect her to, at the very least, have joint x-rays done, be tested for any genetic diseases her breed/s may be prone to, and be bred to an equally qualified stallion.

That aside, I was really refering to performance horses. Clearly there are different (not necessarily lower, just different) standards if you want a solid, sound, good natured pleasure horse as opposed to a performance horse.

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Yes, they are dressage horses.
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