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Old 01-04-2007, 09:41 AM
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Hi Everyone,
Doberluv you have been the best advice "GOD" ever.. But this is getting to much with my puppy..

I tired everything Doberluv suggested with "Yelping" "Ignoring" "Walking away" and praising when she settles down.. And now my 11 week old GSD/Rottie mix is attacking us..

This is not a playful bite.. She has been "ripping up" my mother.. My mothers hands are all cut up from our puppy.. Mine are about the same way..

There is nothing we can do..

-We have tried small time outs in her cage for no more then 2 minutes.. She bites and howls at the cage..
-If you tell her “no” she argues back at us, barks and growls and then pounces for us.. Grabs our arms and wraps her paws around us and will try to get our entire arm in her mouth and bites very very hard.. We have all walked away bleeding from her..
-If we walk away she grabs onto our pants and bites down or our feet.. I don’t want to rip her teeth our walking if she gets them stuck in my pants.. So now we have to fight with her to get her off our pants..

I honestly have to say there is not a moment she is not biting.. We can not pet her, or catch her.. She is pouncing for our hands, faces, legs, feet.. It doesn’t matter she is constantly biting.. We tell her she’s a good girl when she is not biting.. She is well praised.. We also have about 10 chew toys of every color, a kong, a ball with a bell, and a dolly she likes to sleep with.. But when she is awake she’s fighting, biting, growling and thrashing her head back and forth biting everything.. I take her outside for runs, which at times she will still try to attack us...

Is there anything we can do for her short for buying a muzzle?? I would get training but she does not have all her shots until the end of January and the “In home” trainer we were recommended is way to much money…

Any help would be great… Thank you so much…
P.s. I was talking through emails with someone from this board and she suggested taking the puppies bottom lp and rolling it over to the puppies teeth so she bites herself.. Im sorry call me sucker but I can not hurt her in any way whats so ever...
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Old 01-04-2007, 09:50 AM
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We are by far no experts when it comes to dog training and can only give advice from experience. One of our pups was also getting very handy at biting everytime someone tried to pet him or play with him. He was pulling on clothing, etc. He was biting hard enough to hurt so this is what we did. Each time he would start biting during playtime, etc. we would grab him firmly around his snout to close his mouth and at the same time say "No Biting" and would then hand him something that was appropriate to chew on such as a kong or a chewie of some sort. When he started chewing the appropriate toy we would praise him and tell him what a good boy he is. It took time but it worked. We no longer have a biting issue. He now plays nice and if once in awhile he forgets, we reinforce the no biting rule. Hope this helps.
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Old 01-04-2007, 10:28 AM
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There is nothing we can do..
First, I suggest getting rid of the "nothing we can do" attitude.

It sounds like you're frustrated, it's understandable.

Take a deep breath and realize- it's just a puppy.

Anytime a puppy attempts to bites or bites (I'm assuming this is play biting and not aggression issues, this pup seems much too young, although I've been wrong before) you must redirect it.

A sharp "no" or "wrong" as we use and give the dog a toy that IS acceptable to munch on.

With every toothmark or scratch... you are letting your pup get away. Don't do that. Take control of the situation.

Also... if this biting is surrounded by a lot of other unacceptable behaviors... try ignoring the pup. If she is in a burst of biting... stand up, fold your arms up and ignore... whatever you do, don't feed into the biting!

Good luck.
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Old 01-04-2007, 11:41 AM
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Have you tried shake cans? Squirt bottle? She needs to know this is not acceptable behavior and it sounds like, though you are trying, she is getting mixed signals.

Here is an article on shake cans. http://www.westieclubamerica.com/behavior/shakecan.html

Squirt bottle is pretty self explanatory. He bites - you squirt. He associates the biting with a negative reaction.

Just curious. At what age did you get your puppy?
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Old 01-04-2007, 12:37 PM
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It is time to enlist a professional. Look for a certified animal behaviorist in your area- http://www.animalbehavior.org is a good place to start. These are not trainers. They are specialists in problem solving and must have a PhD to get their certification- they will help YOU work with your dog in your home. The sooner you get an appointment, the better- a dog showing aggressive behavior at that age and of those breeds is in serious danger of getting itself in big trouble- so many people are scared of those breeds anyway, including many law enforcement officials, that any less than perfect behavior on the part of an adult mix like that could result in her getting PTS if she were to ever get out and end up picked up by animal control, or if she were to bite a service person in your home, or... or... so many bad things that could happen. If you get the help you need now, then you have plenty of time to teach this little pup to be a good dog as an adult.

She is controlling your family- you need to take back that control. Start by she doesn't get anything she wants unless she 'says please' by performing a command on cue- sit, down, shake, or just settle down- anything you can teach her. This means breakfast- pour out the food and do not put it down until she sits on cue for even half a second, then praise and give the bowl. If she wants the door opened, she has to sit first. She does not get anything good unless it comes from you in response to something she did right- she needs to learn that you are the good-stuff dispenser and the way to make the good-stuff dispenser work is to be a polite young lady. If you are a clicker person, you can incorporate that as well.

When you see her getting ready to go for a bite, toss a toy across her line of vision to distract her, and praise if she goes after it instead of biting. This may sound like a reward, but done properly it is nothing more than introducing a non-compatible behavior; i.e., she cannot bite while she has a toy in her mouth, and a quick horizontal toss of a toy is not going to be interpreted as a reward, just a distraction. If she then associates wanting to bite with chasing a toy, wonderful; she can start looking for a toy to chase when she's feeling peckish.
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Old 01-04-2007, 12:41 PM
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When you ignore the puppy, do you maintain eye contact? Look away, turn away, make it clear that the dog is receiving no attention whatsoever for biting.

Types of attention:
-Yelp
-Saying no
-Grabbing the snout
-Yelling

Any of those could give your dog the signal that bite = reaction. If your dog is merely playing, any of your reactions are just reinforcing the behavior.

If you choose to do this the humane way, then as soon as your dog tries to nip at you, fold your arms and walk away. If your dog follows you, just stop, and keep turning so your dog can't see your face.
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Old 01-04-2007, 12:59 PM
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I am reading this thread and can't help but laugh. We went through the same thing with our puppy and the best thing I can tell you "this too will pass"... I really don't see a need to consult a trainer, a behaviorist, yada yada. This is a puppy playing and thinks you are a litter mate. Just keep doing what the people on here suggested and eventually it will work. The best thing you can do is get up and walk away. When our puppy started biting on me, I put her down got up and left the room. Even if it was to just go stand in the bathroom for 2 minutes. When I came back out, if she started again, I would just go back in the bathroom again. She eventually figured out that biting me caused me to leave the room (and her).
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Old 01-04-2007, 01:10 PM
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Just curious. At what age did you get your puppy?
I adopted her from NSAL 3 weeks ago.. She was 8 weeks old..

This just seems like she is “unsettled”.. She runs around crazy and the the biting begins.. But its all the time.. She doesn’t run around all the time, but she does bite all the time. It seems like every time she bites we do exactly what has been explained in the thread.. We put a toy in her mouth.. Last week I just taught her how to give paw.. Not only one hand but to switch off to the other hand.. So now she will give the right paw, put that paw down and give the left right afterwards. She is very smart, but seems like I am to blame for lacking something.. Which is the replacement in her biting us..

Like I said in the thread, there is not a time that she will not bite us.. If she stops biting and takes a toy.. 2 minutes later she will stop playing with the toy and come after us again..

Im no way am I afraid of her.. Ive had extremely dangerous animals in my life time and a Shepard/Rottie is about the sweetest and smartest Ive had.. LOL!!

I have trained my other dogs in the past and they have gotten to the point that on command with one word they will respond.. It just seems with Bella Im not doing something right..
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Old 01-04-2007, 02:15 PM
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You have no idea how this pup started out life....probably was never socialized and taken away from Mom and litter mates too young. The lip over teeth worked for me along with the loud yipping when bitten . Patience works miracles !
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Old 01-04-2007, 03:34 PM
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You've ben given some good advice here. Not to contradict anyone, but it's difficult to properly evaluate a behavior over the internet. I understand "in-house" training is expensive. All of us charge approx. the same price in my area, that are qualified to do this. Often, I'd rather see a client invest that money in training classes, when a puppy is this young. If this has truly turned from mouthing to being attacked and you're correct in your assessment, I reccomend you be very careful about using any part of your body to correct behavior. Especially, causing pain with your hands. Granted, that's a standard correction for most puppies mouthing too hard and seeming to ignore the human "yelp", but it can backfire and aggitate other pups, making the situation worse. Toy distraction, as well as the squirt bottle would be a standard method to address this. Not water... this is not a game and water for this pup will be "fun", I have a feeling. Lol! Buy a bottle of Bitter Apple spray and put into smaller handheld sample size hairspray bottle. Rinse well first. Schedule a play session with toys, preferably when bad behavior is likely to occur. If puppy refuses to acknowlege toy distraction and praise, your withdrawing of hands and walking away and still comes after you, gently reach down and put a tiny sprtiz of Bitter Apple on tip of tongue while quietly giving command "leave it" or "no bite". This is a very small squirt, only on tip of tongue. Walk away. This is unpleasant enough that it should stop biting in it's tracks. Next day, engage in play session. Spray small amoount of Bitter apple on top of your hands, not palms. You don't want to contaminate toys. As pup displays desire to come after you and bite, close hands Bitter Apple side up, and give quiet "leave it" command as pup goes for you. He will smell Bitter Apple, remember taste and should stop moving foward or close mouth immediatley. There is alot of praise for this, food reward, then continue play session. This is a high end correction I've had to use only on occassion, only in extreme cases and it works almost immediately. Very important to make sure you're teaching what behavior should replace the biting, at the same time and you're getting into classes asap. Good luck!
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