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Old 12-18-2006, 09:35 AM
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Do you know what "Ovcharka" means in Russian?

Its translates to english as "Shepherd".

"Nemeckaya Ovcharka" = German Shepherd
"Kavkazskaya Ovcharka" = Caucasian Shepherd
etc, etc.
"Ovcharka" is not a name for GSD, it is a general term describing a dog who works with sheep.

It has nothing to do with GSD's mixing...

It seems you know better then me, what they call these dogs in Russian now, so please enlighten me... *sarcasm*

I use Ovcharka because I transliterate the breeds name into english, if you translate it, then you would use Shepherd. Simple as that.

Im not disputing there are different subtypes of dogs. Just like there are subtypes of GSD's... thats not the point. Point is, you're misguided on the naming of the breed.
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Old 12-18-2006, 09:44 AM
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For gods sake see the link posted regarding OVCHARKA.

I am the PRESIDENT of the USA National Provisional CLUB for the breed.
So I am done talking to a pet owner for a different breed who insists on HIJACKING this thread entitled Central Asian Shepherd dog so they can talk about their breed Caucasian Ovcharka.

My guidances come from experts and REAL reference material.
http://centralasianshepherd.homestead.com/zoran.html

Regards to the GSD you are wrong and hijacking yet again.
The GSD was a man made breed created by a MAN _ the captain.
The CASD are natural made breeds hence many breeds under many native name and one set open standard. Created by NO MAN but a time and place.

Any breed can have variance and they normally in the last 100 yrs are then separated by this variance. But they ALL stem from the same BREED .

NO comparsion to the landrace ON TOPIC BREED.
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Old 12-18-2006, 09:54 AM
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For gods sake see the link posted regarding OVCHARKA.

I am the PRESIDENT of the USA National Provisional CLUB for the breed.
So I am done talking to a pet owner for a different breed who insists on HIJACKING this thread entitled Central Asian Shepherd dog so they can talk about their breed Caucasian Ovcharka.

My guidances come from experts and REAL reference material.
http://centralasianshepherd.homestead.com/zoran.html

Regards to the GSD you are wrong and hijacking yet again.
The GSD was a man made breed created by a MAN _ the captain.
The CASD are natural made breeds hence many breeds under many native name and one set open standard. Created by NO MAN but a time and place.

Any breed can have variance and they normally in the last 100 yrs are then separated by this variance. But they ALL stem from the same BREED .

NO comparsion to the landrace ON TOPIC BREED.
1. Get off your high horse, as you have no idea about my credentials and my experiences with these dogs.
2. I am talking about CAO's naming, not CO's naming.
3. The link you posted, only proves my point. For once Stacey got something right.
4. Seriously, keep your temper. You're not adding credibility to your argument by trying to belittle someone in the debate.
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Old 12-18-2006, 10:02 AM
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To the original poster.

I am sorry that this thread was hijacked again.

This breed is so entangled in politics since they were STOLEN from the many countries of origin during the cold war.

Many wish to live in propaganda vs using any FACTS or reference material .

You simply are expected to SWALLOW what ever someone says about this breed if they have a alliance to the former USSR.
Or if they have a personal stake in it.
Example living off breeding dogs, or even EGO having to be "Right" it is a war of words vs discussing the breeds.

Fact Im American, Im Woman, I am a vocal woman at that, Im Irish - English - Scottish - Polish and Italian and Married Italian.

I am simply do NOT have the RIGHT based on the what I am vs what I am not to own this breed unless i repeat Propaganda and go with the FLOW or the Popular "OPINION".

I deal in facts and science if I want to deal in BS I would become a politician.

So with that pls visit our galleries
CAS from around the World.
http://www.planetmolosser.com/galler...ry.php/cat/543
http://www.casdog.com/photopost/index.php
CAS from us Largest Gallery in the world for one breeder
And CAS website largest in the world with reference material in English with
http://www.centralasianshepherd.homestead.com

You will find links to or names of translation for verifiable resources.

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Old 12-18-2006, 10:06 AM
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UKC Champion Baba Hatim Terez CGC TDI TT Excellent RKF Zhitkova
Working farm dog...Grand Champion Pointed.

I cant post pics that come up of my collection of CAS from planet molosser for some reason so I will post from my website.
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Old 12-18-2006, 10:08 AM
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This is our 9th Tv appearance on Tv with the breed...
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Old 12-18-2006, 10:09 AM
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This is CAS breeder All Breed BIS judge Russia RKF 2006 Zhitkova
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Old 12-18-2006, 10:09 AM
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Funny thread, im not gonna respond further to our "CAS" expert here, for fear of being flamed even more.

In the end, do your own research on independant site from both Russia and USA.
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Old 12-18-2006, 10:11 AM
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CAS FF Dante GOld medal Obedience Owner Steve Dakhe.
Who does most of our translations for our club.
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Old 12-18-2006, 10:14 AM
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Here is the native sheep we have karakuls rare in the USA.
They match the dogs varied colors.



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