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Old 12-17-2006, 12:04 PM
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Default Central Asian Shepherds (come on Centeral Molloser!)

I saw a Central Asian Shepherd somewhere and came to wondering about them. Aren't they very rare?? What are they like? Are their ears naturally like that against their head (if you know what I mean)?
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Old 12-17-2006, 12:44 PM
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Also called Ovtcharka, natural evolved as opposed to bred for a purpose, their appearance is not as dictated by 'standard' as common breeds. Lage, double coated, does well in extreme weather. Protective, family- oriented. Sometimes called a cat in a dog's clothing.

As on owner you need to be strong. assertive, fair and affectionate. Ears and tails are normally cropped.

This is from notes but you might want to look at these for more info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Asia_Shepherd_Dog
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Old 12-17-2006, 12:51 PM
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We are fortunate enough to have a wonderful CAS enthusiast and breeder as a member of Chaz. I PM'd her to bring this thread to her attention, so keep checking back. I, myself, have become increasingly interested in this breed.
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They are rare in United States, not so much in Eastern Europe and Middle East.


Their ears are cropped right after birth, btw. At least in majority of dogs, a stupid trend in UK has started to ban cropping... which is well, stupid.


Special dogs, for owners with special needs. Just like their brothers Caucasian Ovcharkas.


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Old 12-17-2006, 08:48 PM
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Central Asian Shepherds have a full amputation of the Ear at 3 days same time as the tail is docked at the 3rd diget.

Thou considered rare in the sense of not being AKC .
However they are very big thru out Russia, Central Asia and most of Europe numbering the thousands..


So the gene pool is huge and considered more a landrace vs the kissing cousins Caucasian Ovcharka who have been selected more to resemble one self producing breed.

They are specialists in the terms of being territory guardians that will guard livestock, humans any simply anything in their area.

Some lines are used for sentry guardians, some livestock, some show, some illegal things and combination there of.

Pls visit our US UKC National Provisional Breed Club httP://www.cassa.us
Pls read carefully the 10 reasons not to own one..
I hesitate to post pics because they are adorable but a large dog needing special considerations ( fencing socialization , alpha owner etc)

And thank you Summit I have spent 10 yrs with them and hope never to be without one till I go to heaven to me they are perfect.
A dog that can handle the extreme weather of Siberia to the deserts of the Kara kum, they are naturally protective , not owner dominant, and if from good lines very pack oriented so you can have Cats - Sheep- Horses and a pack of working dogs..




I just got back form working at the shelter will check back tomorrow.
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Old 12-17-2006, 08:52 PM
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Great post


This link is for the Caucasian Ovcharka different breed than the Central Asian but if you scroll down click Middle Asian Ovcharka that was the breeds name until the late 90's the Russians gave them when they found them during the rule of the Former USSR over Central Asia.

The litter there has my dog Coz Dad Akbar .

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Great post
This link is for the Caucasian Ovcharka different breed than the Central Asian but if you scroll down click Middle Asian Ovcharka that was the breeds name until the late 90's the Russians gave them when they found them during the rule of the Former USSR over Central Asia.

Actually that is wrong. Russian Empire conqured Caucasus regions and its surroundings during 18-19th century, not during Soviet time. Since that time both CO's and CAO's were used in Russia. Though, only during Soviet times were the CO's factorized, and COA's to a lesser degree's. Also, Soviet Union was compromised of dozens of different nationalities living together, not just Russians.

CAO's are somewhat more laid back and calm compared to CO. Easier to calm down, harder to get started up.

Also, you're wrong on the defination. In Russian language the dogs name is "Sredne Azeatskaya Ovcharka" which can be translated to either Middle Asian Ovcharka or Central Asian Ovcharka, both have the same exact meaning.
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Recent DNA study that shows the CO - CAS- Kangal & Volkodavs being separate breeds ON TOPIC Central Asian Shepherd dogs.
Note no Ovcharka in use for these shepherd dogs which is why I mention it. .

http://www.planetmolosser.com/galler...ium/dna1of.jpg

Please click next or home for 4 pages of DNA study plus reference material.

The former USSR Standard had the name Middle Asian Ovcharka in use _before the process of accepting the breed by FCI in 1989 ( widely translated 1993) in which it was changed to Central Asian.
Later when the sweep happened from MAO to CAO Late 90's I too asked why the change . ( Also RKF was formed and accepted by FCI much after the breed was put it thus revisions were made when this happened)

SO I asked Pres of the RKF club of CAO . Responce was a indication the name " midde asian" was more correct.
Since the former republics of the USSR were CENTRALLY located NOT middlely located. So I talk of the "USE OF" and "Change of" as it refers to that link not to exact translations since that is impossible .

The use of "Ovcharka" is being dropped from use even by Russian experts
since they are not a Russian breed..
Natives of Central Asia NEVER use Ovcharka to describe this landrace of breeds ..
Such as Turkmenia sheep dog . Turkmen Wolf hound , watchdog, Asiatic mastiff ( wynn) were in use long before the USSR. These names are mentioned BEFORE the completed forced occupation of the 20's. Jardine 1860

Since this breed is entangled into centuries of WAR, forced occupation , some still in turmoil, religon issues end result hot debate of who came first. and I really dont think the poster wants a run down on the history of a landrace of breeds that dates back thousands of years

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PS Trying to keep this topic ON topic
I do not want to dIve into a different breed known a Caucasian Ovcharka and the history there . Or even who came first in the Soviet Union or history of that breed.

Please start a topic on your breed Caucasian Ovcharka within the dog breeds section .
So NO more confusion or compariing of these 2 different breeds is made. Which always turned into a issue sometimes requiring interference.
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I was just pointing out that you are mistaken on the naming and history


Anyways, great breed.


Also, you seem to have an attitude problem with USSR... please keep it out of your posts if at all possible, people who actually lived in that country might find your opinions wrong and offensive.

Thanks.

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Old 12-18-2006, 09:22 AM
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USA AKC "Central Asian Shepherd dog"
USA UKC "Central Asian Shepherd dog"
Russian Study of "Asian Shepherd dogs
Central Asia hense the ORIGINS the HOMELANDsNEVER use Ovcharka .
They use the many names the tribes/cultures use in that area. see below.
THIS TOPIC CENTRAL ASIAN SHEPHERD .

Ovcharka = Mongrel in major cities of Central Asia . SInce the GSD used for local patrol later mixed with the native dogs after the pull of the Former USSR creating what they call a "Ovcharka".

It is POLITICALLY correct in Russia yet most new publications DROP the Ovcharka in leu of the correct term sounds like Chef Erds dog when native speak.

Here on the countries that rightfully lay claim to this breed.
Turkmenistan ~ Tajikistan ~ Uzbekistan ~ Kazakhstan ~ Afghanistan
Iran, Mongolia .
Pic is the range of types in this landrace of breeds known as shepherds dogs of Asia.

Simply what you consider "Mistaken" I point to reference material that begs to differ.

What is Ovcharka? misnomer vs fact this is why it is not so simple as too MISTAKEN when it comes to translations of these terms.
http://www.esquirecaucasians.com/articles/koname.html



Again topic was Central Asian Shepherd dogs NOT Ovcharka, NOT Caucasian which you have and NOT all histories that spans thousands of years and thousands of miles thru many countries.
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