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Old 12-11-2006, 06:01 PM
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Oh, one more thing (and this may be the best advice you get in you life) DO NOT GET A BLUE HEELER AKA AUSTRAILIAN CATTLE DOG. Not to impune the Austrailan Shepherd, which is a different breed and a darn fine dog.
Just my 2 cents, based on personal experience.
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Old 12-11-2006, 06:16 PM
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Oh, one more thing (and this may be the best advice you get in you life) DO NOT GET A BLUE HEELER AKA AUSTRAILIAN CATTLE DOG. Not to impune the Austrailan Shepherd, which is a different breed and a darn fine dog.
Just my 2 cents, based on personal experience.
Being an Australian Cattle Dog owner I'm not sure what this comment is supposed to mean? Negative or positive?
ACD's aren't for the first time dog owner and if you get one like mine and don't know what you are doing you can have a medium sized CUJO on your hands. My boy is from tough working and herding lines and they are a tough all around dog. He is very protective and they are a breed that is naturally suspicious of strangers but they also won't back down when they feel a threat. They are also not the best little kid dog because of the strong herding instincts.
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Old 12-11-2006, 06:26 PM
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Yeah, I'm a little confused on that comment as well. Would you mind clearing it up Doubleblind?

I've known several WONDERFUL examples of the breed- tough and smart as whips. My boyfriend's family in Australia uses both ACDs and Kelpies on their working cattle station- the job would be nearly impossible without these dogs.

I'm actually in the beginning stages of research to obtain one of my own. (Would LOVE to pick your brain about it at some point, Red).

I'll heartily second Red's opinion that they aren't for the first time or "casual" dog owner by any means, but I certainly don't think that's reason to malign the breed. Are we just reading something into your response that isn't there?
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Old 12-11-2006, 06:31 PM
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Can some one direct me to the best web site or source for researching breeds?
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Old 12-11-2006, 06:34 PM
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I'd like to know what you meant by that, too. I think a well bred ACD can be a tremendous worker, but they're different than Border Collies and Aussies in the sense that they use more muscle and force to move stock. I wouldn't be confident putting such a grippy dog on sheep or ducks. But that's not the OP's concern - they just want a dog that will chase the geese and deer away.

They aren't dogs I would trust to be civil and just bark at strangers on the property, though. The ones I know tend to be a little impulsive and a threatening bark can quickly turn into a bite if the owner isn't there to control the dog. But I guess that could happen with any breed.
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Old 12-11-2006, 06:39 PM
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Quote by RD:They aren't dogs I would trust to be civil and just bark at strangers on the property, though. The ones I know tend to be a little impulsive and a threatening bark can quickly turn into a bite if the owner isn't there to control the dog. But I guess that could happen with any breed.

Very good description RD, I couldn't of said it better myself .
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Old 12-11-2006, 06:42 PM
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Quoted by Tempura:I'm actually in the beginning stages of research to obtain one of my own. (Would LOVE to pick your brain about it at some point, Red).
I'm ready anytime you are TT! LOL! Are you going for a red or a blue?
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Old 12-11-2006, 06:56 PM
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LOL, Red. Every time I think I decide on a color, I change my mind. I know for sure I want a male, however.

I'm struck with how similar ACDs can seem to Shibas at some times. I've never been fond of "easy" dogs, which is partly why I'm so drawn to Aussies. But I'd also LOVE a breed that I could get really competitive into agility with (as well as conformation), and I feel like an ACD would be quite suitable.

I'm definitely open to learning herding as well. It's going to be awhile before I get my next dog, and at that point I would be in a position to begin some herding.

I've been looking at Reddenblu ACDs in Ontario (I believe). Do you know anything about them?

Or heck- point me in the direction of some good breeders you know- I'm taking a LONG time with this, and have all intentions of doing it right!

And one more thing- a GOOD book about ACDs. I've been having a hell of a time trying to find one that isn't just basic information, and a great deal of generic puppy training and basic health info.

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Old 12-12-2006, 06:06 AM
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LOL, Red. Every time I think I decide on a color, I change my mind. I know for sure I want a male, however.

I'm struck with how similar ACDs can seem to Shibas at some times. I've never been fond of "easy" dogs, which is partly why I'm so drawn to Aussies. But I'd also LOVE a breed that I could get really competitive into agility with (as well as conformation), and I feel like an ACD would be quite suitable.

I'm definitely open to learning herding as well. It's going to be awhile before I get my next dog, and at that point I would be in a position to begin some herding.

I've been looking at Reddenblu ACDs in Ontario (I believe). Do you know anything about them?

Or heck- point me in the direction of some good breeders you know- I'm taking a LONG time with this, and have all intentions of doing it right!

And one more thing- a GOOD book about ACDs. I've been having a hell of a time trying to find one that isn't just basic information, and a great deal of generic puppy training and basic health info.

Thanks!
I'll PM you at somepoint later today with the book I got a year before I got my boy. Reddenblu's dogs are great but there are a few other breeders that are well known in the ACD world. My breeder has a Reddenblu dog and two Turella dogs who are out of Australia (if you are willing to import). I'll talk to you later! Take care!
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Old 12-12-2006, 09:45 AM
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Id like to see a couple of Collies take out a coyote...
They do it all the time. Many herding breeds will actually. At some point, these were multi-purpose farm dogs. Sure a LGD could take out a coyote quicker but we're talking about a dog for a novice owner.
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