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Old 12-11-2006, 02:09 AM
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Hello Everyone,

My wife and I just moved into a large house on 8 acres of land. We are looking for a couple of dogs that fit the following criteria:

- outdoor dogs (they will live in a nice heated dog house)
- will bark when strangers come onto the property
- are safe with children and people that haven't met before
- will mercilessly chase away the geese and deer that cause problems on the property. If they can get rid of moles, that would be an added benefit.
- will patrol the property at night as well as the day
- will stay on our property

We are new to owning dogs, but are willing to put in the time and effort to train the right dogs for us.

We look forward to your responses.
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Old 12-11-2006, 05:13 AM
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How much exercise will the dog get?
How much grooming are you willing to do?
Will the dog ever be allowed indoors to be with the family?
When you say you're willing to train....how much experience do you have?
If you have no experience, how dedicated to taking the dog to obedience classes are you?
How dedicated to socialisation are you?
When you say 'safe' with strangers do you mean that the dog should want to be friends with the strangers or just that they won't be hostile towards them?
How clingy (affectionate) do you want the dog to be?
Do you have a fenced yard?

I'm concerned that this dog will not only sleep outdoors but is going to be asked to "patrol the property at night as well as the day". Is this a pet you're after or just a guard dog?

Not leaving the property is a bit of a problem if the dog is left to it's own devices. Dogs left on their own will find things to do and that may include wandering off to find adventure. You'd really need a secure dog run or fenced yard if the dog is to be left outside on its own.

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Old 12-11-2006, 07:23 AM
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- outdoor dogs (they will live in a nice heated dog house)
- will bark when strangers come onto the property
- are safe with children and people that haven't met before
- will mercilessly chase away the geese and deer that cause problems on the property. If they can get rid of moles, that would be an added benefit.
- will patrol the property at night as well as the day
- will stay on our property

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The part I put in bold REALLY interferes with everything else. Basically you want a guard dog which likes people he/she doesn't know

That doesn't compute
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Old 12-11-2006, 07:26 AM
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Not leaving the property is a bit of a problem if the dog is left to it's own devices. Dogs left on their own will find things to do and that may include wandering off to find adventure. You'd really need a secure dog run or fenced yard if the dog is to be left outside on its own.

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Depends entirely on the dog and in what environment it is raised.

Also, if you are getting a puppy don't expect it to do any of the tasks you listed until about 1.5-2.5 years of age ( depending on breed).

It might be a good idea to look into an adult dog from a farm with experience
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Old 12-11-2006, 07:46 AM
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Hello Everyone,

My wife and I just moved into a large house on 8 acres of land. We are looking for a couple of dogs that fit the following criteria:

- outdoor dogs (they will live in a nice heated dog house)
- will bark when strangers come onto the property
- are safe with children and people that haven't met before
- will mercilessly chase away the geese and deer that cause problems on the property. If they can get rid of moles, that would be an added benefit.
- will patrol the property at night as well as the day
- will stay on our property

We are new to owning dogs, but are willing to put in the time and effort to train the right dogs for us.

We look forward to your responses.
Welcome to Chaz! It seems as though your expectations of a dog are a little off. Let me explain what I mean.....

A dog doesn't know or care about property lines.

Alot of dogs will chase a deer away, But some dogs will chase until they catch the deer, or someone else sees your dog chasing deer and the dog gets shot. I would never allow my dogs to chase deer.

Most dogs would send a warning bark if something/someone strange was around, So when looking for a breed which would be most important to you? A watch dog, or a family dog that is good around children. Alot of this depends on you too, socialization, and picking a great breeder or shelter.

The majority of breeds would be happier living with their families. And can be easier to train, because they get more time with their families and learn more about your body language..etc. I can't reccommend an outside dog, because I allow all my dogs in my house, and I couldn't imagine any of them living outside in a dog house.

Since you are new to dogs, I would never start out with more than one. You are asking for problems.

In my opinion you are wanting a couple dogs, for the wrong reasons. But there are many dog savy people on here that can help you.

Also letting dogs run loose is not only a possible large liability to you, but also not very safe for them. Eight acres is nothing to a dog. I have 36 and they can get from one end to the other in a couple minutes.

Best Wishes and Good Luck.
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Old 12-11-2006, 07:50 AM
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Three thoughts:

Some dogs are very aware of their property - ie, they won't wander away. But 1) that takes time and maturity, as even very boundary-oriented dogs, will, as young dogs will tend to have the energy and curiosity to run and run and run; 2) a dog that has that sort of territorial awareness is very likely to NOT be very friendly to strangers. They may not bite them or attack, but they probably won't be friendly, 'child-safe' dogs either. At best, they'll be indifferent to people outside their family.

You might want to start out with a single dog. Two dogs constitutes a small pack, and it's packs of dogs that really get into trouble, especially when they're running loose and haven't got too much interaction with people.

I understand that you may not want the dogs inside and I don't think it's automatically a bad idea to have them live outside, but I do think you need to realize that an outdoor dog doesn't get the constant reinforcement of human rules that an indoor dog gets. In other words, if your dog lives outside, you need to remember to work with him/her on manners and behavior.
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Old 12-11-2006, 08:35 AM
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Hello Everyone,

My wife and I just moved into a large house on 8 acres of land. We are looking for a couple of dogs that fit the following criteria:

- outdoor dogs (they will live in a nice heated dog house)
- will bark when strangers come onto the property
- are safe with children and people that haven't met before
- will mercilessly chase away the geese and deer that cause problems on the property. If they can get rid of moles, that would be an added benefit.
- will patrol the property at night as well as the day
- will stay on our property

We are new to owning dogs, but are willing to put in the time and effort to train the right dogs for us.

We look forward to your responses.
How about a German Shepard? They are great with kids and naturally protect there property. However, I do agree with everything Cass said. A dog needs to be part of his family and enjoy time inside the home as well as out. And Socialization is key to owning any dog. You could get a GSD that is a few years old already socialized, house broken, and protection trained from the right breeder but you have to do your research. Good luck!
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Old 12-11-2006, 12:02 PM
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Thank you for the responses.

Our property is fenced. We both are fortunate enough to be at home all day so we have lots of time to spend with the dogs. The reason I was thinking of two dogs is so they could keep each other company at night especially.

I don't want a "guard dog". I just want a dog that barks at strangers if they come onto our property, which has happened in the past because our property borders a popular walking path.

I do want the dogs to chase away the deer though, because they are destroying all our sapling trees and eating all the fruit off our fruit trees.

I personally would love to have an indoor dog but unfortuantely we just installed $60,000. worth of hardwood floors that I suspect would not last very long with a dog or two in the house.
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Old 12-11-2006, 12:05 PM
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We also don't want a dog that "likes" intruders. We want a dog that is suspicious and vocal of intruders but won't harm them.
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Old 12-11-2006, 12:12 PM
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you are wrong about wood floors, you did however put the cart before the horse with installing wood floors before asking how they handle traffic. Many types of real wood floors can handle canine and feline feet, keep their claws trimmed and put down a few throw rugs for traction. We have wood floors in our home with 5 cats and 3 dogs they have been down for a year with no problem.
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