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Old 11-27-2006, 05:44 PM
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All american bulldogs are a cross. They were made here in the U.S. not that many years ago. Some people still remember how they were created. The called a few of them bandogs until they began to reproduce something that looked like them.
You will see on several web sites they are an ancient breed. If anyone has any of the Bloodlines and the Gazettes from the 70's you can read about how they came about. It was a real interesting read.
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Old 11-28-2006, 05:39 PM
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This should settle the debate, very informative page here!!http://www.bulldogbreeds.com/
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Old 11-28-2006, 06:26 PM
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This should settle the debate, very informative page here!!http://www.bulldogbreeds.com/
One thing wrong about the ambull.
It was "reconstructed". They took an old breed and reconstructed it by mixing several breeds together to get what is now called the american bulldog. That part of the history has been published when it was happening. Since it wasn't that long ago it is easy to find out who did it, what breeds they used, and how long it took to reconstruct the breed.
There are several breeds we now have that were old breeds that has been reconstructed. It is fairly easy. Just takes the time to study the genetice and breed to the right dogs. Any ancient breed not around today can be reconstructed.
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Old 11-28-2006, 11:15 PM
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Exactly, almost all molossers are mutts nowdays!! And the only thing I find about the AB breed history is that it is used to reconstruct most of the olde world bulldogges more common today i.e. olde english bulldog, Mastiffs.
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Old 11-30-2006, 07:28 AM
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lol AllMolosser thats the site i got those pics from so it doesn't clear anything up.
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Old 11-30-2006, 08:53 AM
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Well in your first post the pics youve posted I have not found on BULLDOGBREEDS.com. And the ? you asked "Do these dogs look right to you". Yes they look right and diiferent breeders breed for different qualitys. Here is some info that should be helpful pulled directly from BDB.com:
American Bulldog
Height: Males: 22 - 27 inches; Females: 20 - 25 inches.

Weight: Male: 75 - 125 lbs.; Female: 60 - 100 lbs.

By the end of World War II, the last remnants of the working English Bulldog were disappearing in the U.S. Thanks to the breeding programs of John D. Johnson and Allen Scott, the breed was brought back from the brink of extinction.

American Pitbull Terrier
Height: 18 - 22 inches

Weight: 30 - 60 lbs

His ancestors were brought to the Unites States in the mid - 1800's by Boston-Irish immigrants. Originally bred from a variety of bulldogs and terriers, American breeders increased his weight and gave him a more powerful head. A forbearer to the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, they were originally bred to be a fighting dog.

American Staffordshire
Height: 17 - 19 inches

Weight: 40 - 50 lbs.

A variety of breeds were used to develop the "Amstaff" including the Bull Terrier, the Old English White Terrier, the Black and Tan, the Bulldog, the Mastiff, the Pointer, the Dalmatian and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. His name was changed from the Staffordshire Terrier to the American Staffordshire Terrier in 1972.

Staffordshire Bull terrier
Height: 14 - 16 inches

Weight: 24 - 38 lbs

The Staffordshire Bull Terrier first came into existence in or around the seventeenth century. As bull baiting declined in popularity and dog fighting enjoyed a surge of interest, it became necessary to develop a dog which possessed a longer and more punishing head than the Bulldog and also to combine strength and agility. It is therefore believed that the Staffordshire Bull Terrier was derived from the fighting Bulldog of the day with some terrier blood introduced.

These are all descriptions of average dogs from each breed, each breed listed have American Bulldog in there genes. The american bulldog is the only true bred molosser.
There are alot of breeders of AB's but the first 2 to recontruct the breed were John D. Johnson and Allen Scott, not to say there arn't other bloodlines out there i.e Hines and as said before each breed for different qualitys!!

Hopefully this is help
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Old 11-30-2006, 10:52 AM
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These are all descriptions of average dogs from each breed, each breed listed have American Bulldog in there genes. The american bulldog is the only true bred molosser.
There are alot of breeders of AB's but the first 2 to recontruct the breed were John D. Johnson and Allen Scott, not to say there arn't other bloodlines out there i.e Hines and as said before each breed for different qualitys!!
Hm. This is where we differ. I personally believe that the APBT/working SBT is the true bulldog of years past. I do not believe that the APBT has AB blood in it (especially since the SBT/APBT was formed well before the "American" Bulldog came around as these dogs were brought into this country by the immigrants), but rather it's the other way around. The AB of today actually has APBT blood in it.

Since no one was alive in the 1700's, no one can factually state which bulldog was indeed THE bulldog. But looking at pictures & going by historical references, bulldogs were not 80+lb animals back then. Their standards fit more closely to the APBT or working SBT of today.

I am not one of those APBT owners that buys into the belief that APBTs are 50% bulldog & 50% terrier. In fact, more historians believe that very little terrier blood was introduced into the breed. It's only a few select people that truly believe the "half & half" theory.
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Old 11-30-2006, 10:54 AM
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Those are just good standard pit bulls.
The American Bulldogs are, too.
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Old 12-01-2006, 07:51 AM
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ive done more reaseach and those pics are all mutts, there all pits with something or the bulldogs have somethign in them, totally wrong if you ask me. and those pics i found in the forum sectoin of that place
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Old 12-01-2006, 09:42 AM
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Those are just good standard pit bulls.
The American Bulldogs are, too.
HUH? THIS is a "standard" APBT:


Not this:


I'm not sure how you came up with that statement.
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