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Old 11-25-2006, 08:46 PM
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One thing that I thought was kind of funny. A couple of the posters who complained about the looks of the dogs are the same ones who compliment photos of an english bulldog. Each and every dog shown is physically in better shape than an english bulldog. Each will have less health problems. Each will be better able to breathe than the english. In a few cases about the only difference is the size. Several of the dogs may have english blood in them.
Wonder what is the difference?
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Old 11-25-2006, 09:43 PM
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The first pic of the American Bulldog its hard to tell. Doesent look purebred to me. Maybe possibly Johnson.....Maybe I would need to see a better picture.

The second is probley a Scott. Though still its hard for me to tell.

I love American Bulldogs. My neighbor has a female Johnson I know for a fact. She looks alot like this dog here.
http://www.gotpetsonline.com/picture...lldog-0017.jpg
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Old 11-25-2006, 11:14 PM
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Pick up a copy of Dog Fancy magazine (or any US dog mag) and look in the back at the Classifieds, under APBT. You will see pictures of dogs that are extraordinary - substantially wider, even, than those pics. I couldn't believe it when I saw them - they are like the dog-creature in that Ghost Busters movie.

(e.g. These guys advertise:
http://www.castlekingkennel.com/
http://www.untouchabullpits.com/breedings_2.htm
http://www.komonstersquad.com/html/image7.htm (5 week old pup!)
http://www.komonstersquad.com/html/55.html
http://www.komonstersquad.com/html/182.htm )

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Old 11-26-2006, 03:12 AM
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One thing that I thought was kind of funny. A couple of the posters who complained about the looks of the dogs are the same ones who compliment photos of an english bulldog. Each and every dog shown is physically in better shape than an english bulldog. Each will have less health problems. Each will be better able to breathe than the english. In a few cases about the only difference is the size. Several of the dogs may have english blood in them.
Wonder what is the difference?
The difference is that these dogs are not suppose to look like that. No one is going to sit here and say that British Bulldogs don't have health problems, but we aren't talking about that particular breed of dog.
I would be equally appalled if I saw a badly bred, grotesque Doberman or Chihuahua.

Those dogs that the Castle King people claim are APBT definately have Dogue de Bordeaux in them. No way in hades are they pure bred and one look at the website tells me they A: Couldn't care less about the breed and B: Are desperate for people to think they're macho tough guys.
I'm sure the dogs themselves are wonderful but it makes me sad to see dogs used to inflate someone's ego like that.

Cass.

EDIT: And can I just say that I'm also disgusted by these idiots who think that putting pictures of dogs mating on their site is a good idea. Sick, gross morons. We know they do it, but taking photos of them doing it...especially that picture of the bitch who is tied and the guy is hold her collar for the photo...is completely unneccessary.
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Old 11-26-2006, 11:04 AM
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Pick up a copy of Dog Fancy magazine (or any US dog mag) and look in the back at the Classifieds, under APBT. You will see pictures of dogs that are extraordinary - substantially wider, even, than those pics. I couldn't believe it when I saw them - they are like the dog-creature in that Ghost Busters movie.

(e.g. These guys advertise:
http://www.castlekingkennel.com/
http://www.untouchabullpits.com/breedings_2.htm
http://www.komonstersquad.com/html/image7.htm (5 week old pup!)
http://www.komonstersquad.com/html/55.html
http://www.komonstersquad.com/html/182.htm )

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and the selling price for some of those dogs are like 5000$$ each. Sorry thats just stupid to me.. an APBT mix for 5 gs? I would rather pay off my car than get a mutt like that.
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Old 11-26-2006, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Delisay View Post
Pick up a copy of Dog Fancy magazine (or any US dog mag) and look in the back at the Classifieds, under APBT. You will see pictures of dogs that are extraordinary - substantially wider, even, than those pics. I couldn't believe it when I saw them - they are like the dog-creature in that Ghost Busters movie.

(e.g. These guys advertise:
http://www.castlekingkennel.com/
http://www.untouchabullpits.com/breedings_2.htm
http://www.komonstersquad.com/html/image7.htm (5 week old pup!)
http://www.komonstersquad.com/html/55.html
http://www.komonstersquad.com/html/182.htm )

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Omigod omigod, confession time!
I was looking at an issue of the magazine a few months back..I saw those ads..there were a few that said "We breed for massive heads and extra wide chests"...so dissapointed at that magazine for not screening breeders...they'll let anyone advertise!

AHHH
I grabbed my phone and sat at my computer..I ended up phoning a few of them that had numbers, and emailed the rest with my sweet words...explaining how they are the most irresponsible, selfish backyard breeders known to man...most of them didn't even know what the OFA was!

lol...oh boy.
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Old 11-26-2006, 12:14 PM
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One thing that I thought was kind of funny. A couple of the posters who complained about the looks of the dogs are the same ones who compliment photos of an english bulldog. Each and every dog shown is physically in better shape than an english bulldog. Each will have less health problems. Each will be better able to breathe than the english. In a few cases about the only difference is the size. Several of the dogs may have english blood in them.
Wonder what is the difference?
I myself don't now much about the English bulldog...I do know that the breed has breathing problems..agreed..again the fault of stupid MAN....

the reason I complain about these monster pits is because they're not bred according to standards..they're bred for money...they're not health tested...they're more like an accessory or status symbol...bragging about head size or chest width is just stupid! Pit bulls bred for standards won't have breathing problems because they won't have that squished in face or that low set heavy chest on tiny short legs...why MAKE them unhealthy purposely?

These deformed pits aren't going to be healthy or fit...its irresponsible breeding at its finest...just very sad and typical with the pit bull breed.
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Old 11-26-2006, 01:00 PM
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the reason I complain about these monster pits is because they're not bred according to standards..they're bred for money...they're not health tested...
Not always...sometimes they are bred that way to be better pullers in weight pull competitions. I personally do not like them that way at all and would much prefer a well-bred game pit. Check out the American Pull Dog, it is basically the same "breed" as the wide pit only they are actually admitting that it is not a purebred pitbull
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Old 11-26-2006, 01:23 PM
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Not always...sometimes they are bred that way to be better pullers in weight pull competitions. I personally do not like them that way at all and would much prefer a well-bred game pit. Check out the American Pull Dog, it is basically the same "breed" as the wide pit only they are actually admitting that it is not a purebred pitbull
but how can a dog that overdone, with front and hind ends as bad-looking as so many of those dogs, be a good athlete? maybe it's because weight pull is such a short spurt of effort? but how can those bodies possibly hold up over time? they make me cringe just to look at them.
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Old 11-26-2006, 02:12 PM
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I don't know the standard on the english bull, never was interested. I did have several friends who had them. Theirs were not able to have a natural birth. One had a pup born without legs. None lived to be very old. I do know the price of one is more than I would like to spend. Do you think they are also bred for the money? The person who had the pup born without legs kept the pup. I never knew what happened to it. I was at the vets when she explained the one pup did not have legs. They wanted it anyway.
Many of the owners of pit bulls complain about the large pulling dogs. It seems like they think they do not have a chance when competing against these dogs. When I did pulling I always welcomed any competition. If my dog could not compete their dog was better prepared. I knew I would have to work harder to compete.
While the pulling track is a very short distance it can take a lot out of the dog and if your dog continues to pull you may have to pull many times.
Many of the pit bull breeders do not put enough emphasis on the rear end of their dog. A pit bull depends on their back legs for most of their strength. Some other breeders who realize this will breed a dog that has a stronger rearend. Sometimes the pit bulls cannot compete with these specialized dogs.
If you see some of the weights some of these dogs can pull they may not look so bad.
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