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Old 04-15-2005, 08:23 AM
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Sorry 'bout dat. Neopolitan Mastiff - newly recognized by the AKC this year. http://www.molosserdogs.com/modules....ontent&tid=793
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Old 04-15-2005, 12:13 PM
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Those poor Border Collies . . . they're too attractive for their own good.
I agree with you completely. When people look at one of these dogs, they don't see the intelligence, the energy (that never ever goes down). All they see is a cute, fluffy dog. People tell me all the time, "Oh, she's so cute and sweet!" and don't realize that we spend lots of time exercising and training her.

I love Neopolitan Mastiffs....I would love to own one some day, but the drool might be a little too much .
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Old 04-15-2005, 12:24 PM
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Oh how I agree with a dog becoming popular and then bad breeding comes next. I love see the Anatolians in the shows, but do know if they every won, it might ruin the breed. I love those Neos too, especially since Kona is 1/2 Neo.
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ewww...neo's are ugly.

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Old 04-15-2005, 03:28 PM
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Because of their extremely high intelligence, Border Collies can be challenge. They challenge their owners. They can and will outsmart their owners.
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Old 04-16-2005, 09:22 AM
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ewww...neo's are ugly.

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lol! They're kind of an acquired taste. I never had a great appreciation of big jowly dogs before we got Buffy. For me, the old fashioned German Shepherd - before the sloping hocks - will always be my favorite "look" but I still love so many of the other looks as well: the elegant Saluki; rough and rangy Wolfhounds; serious and saggy Bloodhounds; compact, athletic Pits; stocky, stubby JRTS; fringed, elegant Papillons, sleek, aerodymanic coursing hounds, and of course, I've got a massive appreciation for those behemoth molosser breeds.

The thing about dogs, at least in the older breeds, is that form follows function.
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Old 04-19-2005, 02:58 AM
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Hi Fandogg. I'm late replying here i can see but I hope you still check in on the boards.

There is a lot more to owning a Border Collie than exercising it. It irks me when I hear people saying "I want a BC and I'll exercise it a lot". Some Borders, my own included, will drop dead before they will admit to being worn out physically. No matter how much exercise they get, they will still be alert and active. They need mental stimulation as well in order to be stable, relaxed dogs.

Borders herd. Period. If you don't want a dog that herds, don't get a Border Collie.
My dog herds people on occasion, but he doesn't herd me. I am his handler, he looks to me for direction. I'm not something that needs controlling.
One of the things I love about the Border Collie's herding style is that, unlike Cattle Dogs who bite and bark, Border Collies crouch and stare. So, if you don't mind being stared at an awful lot if you're doing anything unusual, it's not very annoying to have your BC stalk you.
If you're not very familiar with the breed's characteristics I would suggest you study up before even considering talking to breeders or rescues.

Regarding show breeders vs. working breeders, my dog comes from a breeder who shows her dogs in conformation and works them in herding as well. I agree that the breeders who raise dogs exclusively for show are contributing to the downfall and eventual "split" (like with GSDs) of the breed. If you want to buy a BC pup, go to a reputable working breeder. Don't bother with show breeders if they don't work their dogs, because stock work ability is what makes the breed. If you want a dog with the temperament of an Australian Shepherd or Golden Retriever, get one, but don't get one of those breeds in a conformationally perfect BC suit.

Oh, and I guess to answer your question more directly, I've never known a BC to herd its handler all over the place. You can't take away their urge to herd but if you refuse to do herding you CAN focus their drive on doing "jobs" such as agility.
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i dont have a real thing for border collies, i think there almost too smart, and their herding instincts can take ova, same with cattle dogs, but i do have a CDX and he is lovely, but still, cant let him off the leash near other animals.

Anyway, i wanna do agility, im looking at getting a German Shorthaird Pointer (not the best for it) and later, a kelpie, love them.
I no they need lots of excercise but they'll get it.
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Tippy doesn't really herd humans (no nipping at heels). She does, however, use the stare quite often. She even tries to herd the rabbits .

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There is a lot more to owning a Border Collie than exercising it. It irks me when I hear people saying "I want a BC and I'll exercise it a lot". Some Borders, my own included, will drop dead before they will admit to being worn out physically. No matter how much exercise they get, they will still be alert and active. They need mental stimulation as well in order to be stable, relaxed dogs.
Ditto. No matter how much exercise she gets, Tippy is still very active. I could've just taken her on a five mile walk, and she can be panting her head off, but she's ready for more.
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