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Old 11-04-2006, 02:47 PM
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We are getting a border collie pup in about 4 weeks, and I'm feeling a bit guilty. As I'm currently still at school, the pup may have to spend alot of the time in her crate and I'm not sure if that's mean. I mean, there will be someone at home, my dad works from home and can take her out for maybe an hour at midday to feed her, but this is the routine it would have to be...

Up at 6.30 - outside
Play in between here, maybe outside for a little quick socialisation
Fed a 8.00 - outside again
8.25 - Outside again and into crate
11.30 Outside
Time in between - Play in kitchen but alone...
12.15 - Fed
12.30 - Outside and back in crate
3.30 - Out of crate
6.30 - Fed
10.30 - Bed

I'm home at 3.30, and so she will have me around then. Does that seem ok? It's only for the first 3 weeks of her time here, then I'll be off over christmas.

I just feel a bit like she's in her crate ALOT.
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Old 11-04-2006, 03:33 PM
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After your break will she be crated agian similar to this schedule? It doesn't sound unfair to me but I'm no expert. As long as someone is there to let her out during the day while you are gone that is good. An 8 week old puppy should only be expected to hold their bladder for 3 hours at the most. Is your dad understanding to the fact that there most likely will be accidents and he will have to spend the time cleaning her crate and her if neccasary? I Think the schedule is ok though I don't see a problem with it.
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Old 11-04-2006, 04:54 PM
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I think that schedule is fine. Especially since you will be around all the time on breaks from school. It's only 7 hours with a break in the middle. Many people have to work 8-9 hours a day. As she gets older and is housetrained, you can start leaving her in a doggie proof room.
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Old 11-04-2006, 07:12 PM
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This sounds ok to me. It's pretty much the exact same schedule I had for my dog when he was a pup and he did well with it. I got him on a saturday, and when it came time for monday, to go to school, I was almost crying because I was thinking "my poor puppy is going to be left alone for so long! He's gonna hate me!" and I thought it was very unfair to him, but everything worked out fine. Your pup should be okay with this too! Good luck with your new dog.
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Old 11-05-2006, 09:21 AM
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Can you set up a penned play area and put the crate in there and leave door open ?
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Old 11-05-2006, 12:21 PM
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That's not really a possibility, as the crate will be in my room and there is just no space. I suppose we could try though, might be able to fine somewere...

She will probably only be crated in the afternoon once we are back at school, as long as we arn't doing to bad at housetraining.
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Old 11-06-2006, 01:57 AM
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Technically, that sounds fine. The dog will be able to hold its bladder for 3 hours at a time so that won't be an issue.

However, are you comfortable leaving a very young puppy alone for 6 hours (or more) during the day (what if you go somewhere in the evening and you can't take the pup)? We had similar schedules when we first got our puppy and we're still battling the guilt of leaving him alone so much. He can hold is bladder 10 hours or more and same with his bowels, so that isn't an issue--but we just hate leaving him alone. We've pretty much ended up dedicating our weekends/evenings to him so we can make sure he stays happy.

Border Collies are an incredibly demanding breed. As a puppy, your dog will probably sleep a lot and have a lot of down time so you should be fine. However, as your dog grows he will start to show his true personality. Do you know what level of drive this BC will have? Companion? Active? Working?

There is really no way for you to tell--but if your dog has a working drive, you are going to be in for a huge surprise. Your dog will put the tasmanian devil to shame--any second away and the dog will find something with which to "occupy itself". That means shredding, destroying, nipping, etc.

Border Collies are great dogs and can be extremely intelligent. They can also have a mind for themselves and disobey all of the commands you use. Please start training your dog early on, but also make sure to socialize as much as possible. Border Collies are notorious for developing aggression issues when they are under socialized.

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Old 11-06-2006, 09:48 AM
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Honestly, I wouldn't be comfortable leaving a puppy that long all by himself in a little box with no one around, no stimulation other than a few toys. That's a lot of hours. I know a lot of people do. I just would have a hard time with it. Herschel is right. A Border Collie especially is not a dog to be boxed in for hours and hours. They are not meant to be mere pets. They're a serious working breed with intense energy and drives that need an outlet for those drives. He shouldn't be inside of 4 walls, all squished up for 6 hours. I'm sorry. I know you have a dilema, but that's just the way I feel about it. I mean...picture yourself in a similar situation. How frustrating would that be to be in neurosis and behavior problems in a dog like that. What do you have a Border Collie for? Is this a pet or a working dog?

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Old 11-06-2006, 11:23 AM
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We plan on doing dog sports such as agility with her, and do obediance classes.

We could have her downstairs in the kitchen/dining room/conservatory for some of the time, that might work.

So maybe she could be crated in the morning, and then after her midday feed not go back to the crate, instead stay in the downstairs bit. It's all wooden floors, so accidents don't really matter.

This is why I felt mean, I understand as a border collie she needs to be given something to do or will find it herself!

Another option I suppose is letting her play outside, but I doubt the weather will be good enough to let a young puppy go out.

Thanks for the help and helping realise that crating throughout the day is just not an option. I reall appreciate it.
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Old 11-06-2006, 11:38 AM
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hmmm, a high drive dog, crated and kept safe from itself and the rest of the house or left to its own devices in the downstairs??? I think i'll go with the crate myself. It isn't ideal to have to spend that much time in a crate, but as long as you're doing other things and keeping its mind active during those times you shouldn't have any problems.

I have a job that keeps me out of the house 4 days a week and I get to go home at noon for an hour total on those days and then the puppy or dog would go back in the crate till I got home. and they are working dogs. If I wasn't home to keep their minds engaged, i'm not leaving them up to their own minds to find what fun they can have in the house.

In the past, I'd let some of the young dogs or older dogs out in the house, and things were just fine, until once every 4-6 months I'd come home and find a broken window, a book case over turned, a piece of carpt torn up, just for fun, etc. Who knows why they did it, it rarely happened, but replacing windows will steer you towards crating your dog in a hurry.

If you need to crate, then you better be sure to keep the dog active and engaged when you are around. You shouldn't have any troubles.
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