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Old 10-31-2006, 01:00 PM
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Some are 100+ lbs. That's just sad.
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Old 10-31-2006, 01:15 PM
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This guy on their "males page" This is our new stud "Azzurri Blu aka "Rhino"
"Sire: Imperial's "Low-Low"
Dam: Infamous Imperial's Knotty Dread
"Rhino is pictured at 11 months and is showing a lot of potential. He's SHORT, thick & his head is 22 inches and growing."

doesnt even look like a pit to me, it looks more like a bull terrier x pit cross to me.

None of their dogs are close to the standard, they all look way too short & way too fat/bulky. Not to mention studies have shown that certain breeds with one or both blue eyes prone to deafness should not be bred because they will produce deaf dogs..

Maybe I am nuts but THIS is what PB should look like ..






Then again I dont breed, I rescue. This fellow is actually my current foster.

I also cant believe how much they are charging for those dogs! Come to my shelter and I can get you a nicer looking pit for $90. (all vetting included) That's where I got the handsome fellow I just posted and they were going to kill him very soon.

IMO they are ugly and dont seem to fit the standard, again I am a rescuer not a breeder though.
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Old 10-31-2006, 01:30 PM
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LOL ..... quote: "Rhino" is now available for stud service. Service fee $2,500
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Old 10-31-2006, 02:16 PM
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I don't see the Bull Terrier/Pit cross you're talking about, Adopt.


People are breeding Pits to their own liking these days, and they are one of the hardest breeds to find a breeder for, which is partly why I stay away from them now (along with the controversy and disrespect, among other things). Anyone selling a Pit over 90 pounds to me is selling ego boosters. Those dogs seem very front heavy to me. That doesn't necessarily mean they are mixed though. But personally, I can always do without a "Pit Bull" being called an APBT, and then having mastiff heads, complete with loose jowels and very wide heads.

I don't like lowrider APBT's either. I have Staffies, that's lower than an APBT should be, and I have seen people passing dogs lower than my Staffies off as "pure APBT's". Just irks me to no end.
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Old 10-31-2006, 02:26 PM
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where i work (collie breeder)
we would never ever use that thing for breeding.
that looks horrible...
and those are NOT pitts!
that person is wrong for doing what they are doing
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Old 10-31-2006, 02:26 PM
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those are Not pit bulls,,,, the ADBA are looking into pulling the paperwork on all razor edge and gotti dogs due to the fact they are mixed breeds


they are not bettering a breed by mix breeding,,
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Old 10-31-2006, 02:36 PM
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Just because they are stocky dogs does not mean they are mixes. Provided, many of those large dogs you see are, they aren't all mixed with something else.
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Old 10-31-2006, 03:06 PM
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I don't find them attractive AT ALL, all that fat and width. Blargh. Some people have posted some pics of lovely pits here that I have enjoyed very much and those are not it!

As for the breeding stand, it's .. interesting (do not read that as condoning it!). I don't imagine she'd be held for very long - I say it's interesting because we hold mares to breed them - call it handbreeding, sometimes you have to hopple them so they don't kick the stallion.. not that dogs kick, obviously, but I would be interested to hear a dog breeder's thoughts on this.
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These dogs are supposed to be athletes, not cinder blocks. Any site that advertises their dog's head size is suspect. And blue eyes are a fault, not a selling point. Also beware anybody who's asking $1800 for a puppy from parents who aren't titled or health-tested. They're selling an image, not a well-bred dog.

On the other hand, I wouldn't fault a breeder over how many dogs they keep. That may just mean they keep more out of a litter than just one pup. Its more about how many dogs they produce and sell to the public. However, if you see that along with the other warning signs, its a safe bet they aren't out there to better the breed.

And that's a breeding stand. Some use it to breed a very hot or very squirmy bitch who wont hold still for the stud. I wont say whether its right or wrong.
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Old 10-31-2006, 10:27 PM
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Just because they are stocky dogs does not mean they are mixes. Provided, many of those large dogs you see are, they aren't all mixed with something else.

Actually, if they have the name "Razor's Edge" in their pedigree, they ARE mixes. Not only was it rumored & wondered about for a long time, but founder of the line, Dave Wilson, just recently came out & admitted that other breeds such as the English Bulldog & Neo Mastiff (just to name 2) were INDEED outcrossed to in the "making" of his line. Thus, these dogs are all mutts. He is now referring to his line of dogs as American Bullys.

As far as the website/breeder goes that the OP asked about, the first thing that stood out was the word "pitt". First off, a "pit" is a hole in the ground, not a dog. Second, it is only spelled with one "t".

Considering their breeding stock is ONLY bred for looks (& most have crappy temperaments w/HA beginning to run rampant) & are mixed breed dogs to boot, I'd chalk them up to just another typical byb & peddler trying to avoid having to get a real job & breeding any creature with the proper genetalia. It appears they are in the business of breeding these dogs b/c it's "cool" & it keeps their wallets full.

Bahamutt is right. The APBT is an athletic working breed, no an English Bulldog/Neo Mastiff cross with cropped ears. Compare a well bred APBT to their mutts & tell me what you think:


42lbs here

53lbs here

IMO, they are the type of crap that is not only detrimental to the APBT as a breed, but are repsonsible for BSL & government legislation over our dogs. They don't care one bit that the APBT has a set in stone standard, nor do they care that peddling puppies is wrong & disguisting. I truly get sickened when I see "breeders" like this.
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