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Old 10-30-2006, 11:30 AM
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I vote pure GSD with a winter coat. Our GSD has a coat that long and thick, more so in winter.
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Old 10-31-2006, 12:36 PM
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He looks really PB or close to it to me. The only thing that makes me hesitant is that his muzzle looks a wee bit less pointed. More square. Where'd he come from anyway?
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Old 12-22-2006, 06:18 PM
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Just revisiting this post to correct what appears to be wrong information so that rumours don't get perpetuated... I looked into the Shiloh Shepherd origins, believing from what's written here that it's a different breed from the GSD, but what I found is:

- The Shiloh is the GSD: It's the original German breed standard, being a large, strong, square-rumped dog. Current 'GSD's are a new version developed (devolved) over the last 20-30 years, being smaller and slopey-hipped.

- 'Shiloh' is the kennel name of the US breeder who went to the greatest lengths to re-create/preserve the original/ideal GSD there. Confusingly, this name was then adopted to denote the breed as if 'new'...whereas in fact it is the closest representative of the original GSD.

- Talk of the 'Wolf hybrid' refers to the very first foundations of most German herding dogs, including GSDs/Shilohs and other breeds, which were Wolf/mongrel crosses. Being from the same original stock as other GSDs, Shilohs have no more, and no less, Wolf in them. (Some breeders started messing with modern Wolf crosses which confused things, but this activity is unrelated to the breeding of true Shilohs/GSDs.)

- More of them now have the long coat just because the Shiloh kennel owner liked the longer coat.

So, on that count, it seems that 'Shiloh' Shepherds of sorts do exist in Australia; they just aren't called that. Breeders refer to them as 'traditional type' GSDs.

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Old 12-22-2006, 06:41 PM
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To me, this dog looks like a long-coated, purebred GSD. The coat pattern may be the result of one parent donating a bi-color allele and the other parent donating a saddle patterend allele. The result would be a similar color pattern. I am not referring to the colors, black and red. I am referring only to the pattern.
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Old 12-23-2006, 08:32 AM
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Looks like a long haired GSD to me too, a nice looking dog.

The info posted that the Shiloh is the real GSD is WRONG. The breed standard for the GSD is a not a huge dog. Males should be up to 87lbs, and 24-26" at the shoulder. Females 22-24" and up to 77lbs. It's been this way since the beginning of the breed back in Germany. They were bred to be large enough to defend against man or predator, but small enough to be agile with flocks. The standard calls for "a medium sized working dog capable of prolonged work".

The people breeding the large sized GSD's are the ones who are not conforming to the breed standard. The line about them "breeding the old school style GSD" is propaganda. GSDs weighing 120lbs are way out of the breed standard. The one thing that has changed in the last 30 years is the sloping backs of the American line dogs, for the show ring. The size standard has not changed.
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Old 12-23-2006, 12:31 PM
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Wow, this is an old post. I would say he looks like a longcoated GSD to me.
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Old 12-26-2006, 03:25 AM
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Looks like a long haired GSD to me too, a nice looking dog.

The info posted that the Shiloh is the real GSD is WRONG. The breed standard for the GSD is a not a huge dog. Males should be up to 87lbs, and 24-26" at the shoulder. Females 22-24" and up to 77lbs. It's been this way since the beginning of the breed back in Germany. They were bred to be large enough to defend against man or predator, but small enough to be agile with flocks. The standard calls for "a medium sized working dog capable of prolonged work".

The people breeding the large sized GSD's are the ones who are not conforming to the breed standard. The line about them "breeding the old school style GSD" is propaganda. GSDs weighing 120lbs are way out of the breed standard. The one thing that has changed in the last 30 years is the sloping backs of the American line dogs, for the show ring. The size standard has not changed.
I cant believe people think a GSD was created to be a HUGE mastiff type breed. Ryot's father is 96lbs and is frowned upon (even though he is very thin and agile for his body type). What can a 130lbs dog do besides bark and get a bite only when the bad guys gets close enough, but the more weight the faster they tire. Von Stephanitz did NOT create a mastiff with fur. His whole purpose was to create an all around working dog. And his dieing wish was to ensure that his breed STAYED a working dog, and creating huge 150lb dogs and claming them as GSD's or a variety of a GSD is a disgrace to von Stephanitz's long and hard years of creating a working dog. People always have to ruin everything.

BTW: The dog in the pic looks like a PB plush or longcoat GSD.
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Old 12-27-2006, 01:32 AM
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Looks like a SHiloh to me too.

DanL, great post!
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- The Shiloh is the GSD: It's the original German breed standard, being a large, strong, square-rumped dog. Current 'GSD's are a new version developed (devolved) over the last 20-30 years, being smaller and slopey-hipped.

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Old 12-31-2006, 12:34 AM
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Is this just a long-coat GSD??...or do you think it has something else mixed in?...or that it is something else?

(The shagginess seems too uniform, and the ears too dark, and there's something about the eyes ... but overall it seems very GSD.)



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