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Old 10-27-2006, 01:21 PM
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Well I've been doing a bit of reading and thought it would be wise to put Casey on some glucosamine and chondroitin supplements. I can't remember which thread I saw it in but someone suggested Nutri aid GCM from tack shops. So my question was is this a supplement for horses that can be used for dogs? If I go to the tack shop will there only be one type?

Or should I go with something else?
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Old 10-27-2006, 01:39 PM
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I use Macintonsh Pro Line D Mac for horses. I can't say enough good stuff about it! They do make a dog and a horse product, but we buy the horse product and feed it to our dogs. Hutch is 190lbs, so the amount that we would give him from the dog product line was alot-and costly! We give him a quarter of a scoop of the powder a day (our vet helped with the dosage!).
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Old 10-27-2006, 02:33 PM
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Ive been using the missing link suppliment and my dogs seem to love it!
I know the glucosamine and chondroiten helped me with my arthritic attack 7 mo ago.
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I tried a couple of different supplements that they sell at the feed store here, but they made Mina fart Maybe the Brewer's Yeast?

I switched and give them Happy Hips by Dogswell. I like this product a lot because the ingredients are Chicken Breast, Glucosamine, Chondroitin and Vitamin E. It is like a strip of chicken jerky and the dogs LOVE them. I give two treats a day. The instructions say 1 treat per 15 pounds per day though. That might add up to a lot of treats with a big dog like Casey
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Thanks for the replies everyone .

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The instructions say 1 treat per 15 pounds per day though. That might add up to a lot of treats with a big dog like Casey
Lol I'm sure she'd love it though .
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I don't know if you heard about it, but there was recently a study on chondroitin and glucosamine in humans, and it was found to have zero effect. It's just one study (that I know of), and dogs are different from people, but it is interesting. I have recently pulled my horse off of his oral c/g and hylaronic acid supplements. I was using them as a preventative, not a treatment.

The only "supplements" I still use are Adequan and Legend. Both are injectable (Adequan is IM, Legend is IV for horses). Unlike oral supplements, the Adequan at least has studies backing up it's effectiveness in horses. I don't know for sure if there are studies out on the Legend yet, as it is newer. I know they make Adequan for dogs; my trainer has used it on her arthritic corgi with wonderful success. It may be worth talking to the vet about if your dog has current issues.

In my albeit limited experience, I think horses are about 5 - 10 years ahead of dogs in regards to joint care. The trend for horses is really moving away from c/g and towards the HA - both ingested and injected. If you do decide to go with a c/g supplement, I would recommend trying Cosequin; if I remember correctly, their Chon. actually has a lower molecular weight, and it is believed that it is absorbed better.
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I don't know if you heard about it, but there was recently a study on chondroitin and glucosamine in humans, and it was found to have zero effect. It's just one study (that I know of), and dogs are different from people, but it is interesting. I have recently pulled my horse off of his oral c/g and hylaronic acid supplements. I was using them as a preventative, not a treatment.

The only "supplements" I still use are Adequan and Legend. Both are injectable (Adequan is IM, Legend is IV for horses). Unlike oral supplements, the Adequan at least has studies backing up it's effectiveness in horses. I don't know for sure if there are studies out on the Legend yet, as it is newer. I know they make Adequan for dogs; my trainer has used it on her arthritic corgi with wonderful success. It may be worth talking to the vet about if your dog has current issues.

In my albeit limited experience, I think horses are about 5 - 10 years ahead of dogs in regards to joint care. The trend for horses is really moving away from c/g and towards the HA - both ingested and injected. If you do decide to go with a c/g supplement, I would recommend trying Cosequin; if I remember correctly, their Chon. actually has a lower molecular weight, and it is believed that it is absorbed better.

Thanks for all the info! I'm going to talk to my friend who owns a small petshop as she'll probably have a lot of things in stock or will be able to order in.
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I don't know if you heard about it, but there was recently a study on chondroitin and glucosamine in humans, and it was found to have zero effect. It's just one study (that I know of), and dogs are different from people, but it is interesting. I have recently pulled my horse off of his oral c/g and hylaronic acid supplements. I was using them as a preventative, not a treatment.

The only "supplements" I still use are Adequan and Legend. Both are injectable (Adequan is IM, Legend is IV for horses). Unlike oral supplements, the Adequan at least has studies backing up it's effectiveness in horses. I don't know for sure if there are studies out on the Legend yet, as it is newer. I know they make Adequan for dogs; my trainer has used it on her arthritic corgi with wonderful success. It may be worth talking to the vet about if your dog has current issues.

In my albeit limited experience, I think horses are about 5 - 10 years ahead of dogs in regards to joint care. The trend for horses is really moving away from c/g and towards the HA - both ingested and injected. If you do decide to go with a c/g supplement, I would recommend trying Cosequin; if I remember correctly, their Chon. actually has a lower molecular weight, and it is believed that it is absorbed better.
BostonBanker, I believe you are referring to the 2003 study by Clegg et al, titled "Glucosamine, Chondroitin Sulfate, and the Two in Combination for Painful Knee Osteoarthritis"

They found a 60% placebo effect, and also that "Glucosamine and chondroitin sulfate alone or in combination did not reduce pain effectively in the overall group of patients with osteoarthritis of the knee."

Please PM me if you want the full text of the article.

Glucosamine, chondroitin sulfate, and the two in combination for painful knee osteoarthritis. N Engl J Med. 2006 Feb 23;354(8):795-808.
PMID: 16495392
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Thats a strange study cause it helped with the swelling in my fingers alot. Didnt make the swelling go down completely but considerably.
Jim who has had 4 knee surgeries swear by them.
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Well I've been doing a bit of reading and thought it would be wise to put Casey on some glucosamine and chondroitin supplements. I can't remember which thread I saw it in but someone suggested Nutri aid GCM from tack shops. So my question was is this a supplement for horses that can be used for dogs? If I go to the tack shop will there only be one type?

Or should I go with something else?
Why do you want to put Casey on this ? Is it pain or general stiffness.
A friend with a Dobe tried G & C and found it to be a waste of money, But now uses Canine Cortaflex with great results( Max plays like a baby again ), check it out.
http://www.natural-animal-health.co...._cortaflex.php
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