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Old 10-10-2006, 02:50 PM
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I think it would be a good idea if done by ethical breeders, but I have to say I'm still quite partial to today's Dobes. A lot has gone into the breed, and while there are some health problems in ALL lines, they are not as prevalent in high-quality lines as they are in BYB/mill dogs. I agree with Joce that getting rid of the BYBs would do a world of good.

Are the health problems in the breed exclusive to North American dogs or are they common worldwide? Do Dobermans in Europe, for example, suffer from the same diseases that American dogs do? I assume if so many Doberman lines are affected by the same diseases, that the problem had to start early on with Louis Dobermann's selection of dogs?
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Old 10-10-2006, 04:32 PM
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I would like to see science get into this. Have a genetic specialist do specific tests on al dogs being used to, I hate the word re-create but to pro create better lines.
This of course would take years to get just right and have sound or more to the standard type pups.
Just think if we had the science then that we do now how much better the breeds today would be?
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Old 10-10-2006, 05:42 PM
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An interesting concept , but as long as today's standards are posted and most good breeders have Championships in mind , I don't think it would work . DNA would be a good way to go though . I sure would love to see the old Goldens !! But , if you look into how these dogs came to be, there's no way it could be duplicated today !
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Zoom, that's a very interesting idea. The challenge with so many good and interesting ideas, is how to practically coordinate and implement them.

If, after much lengthy discussion among breeders, kennel clubs, etc, they decided "let's do it" ... there would need to be a coordinated process of introducing certain genes, then wide enough crossing among the new stock so as not to repeat the old inbreeding error ... and doing this in a coordinated fashion though several generations.

It could certainly be done, but would take great leadership on the part of a few key people to make it happen, given the current culture of so many rules which some people get very emotionally attached to. But, there's also a lot of talk these days about the problems that in/line-breeding for showing has caused, so we never know...

(Also, breed histories show that some current breeds seem to be derived literally from a single litter by a single breeder, so it's no wonder they have problems.)

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Old 10-10-2006, 08:38 PM
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An interesting concept , but as long as today's standards are posted and most good breeders have Championships in mind , I don't think it would work . DNA would be a good way to go though . I sure would love to see the old Goldens !! But , if you look into how these dogs came to be, there's no way it could be duplicated today !
were having a discussion right now in another forum about the split between Field bred labs and Show or Bench labs. Most of the people believe we will never get back to the original dual CH and FCs.
Also how judges are interpreting the standard for the Show type labs.
They have made it now to where a judge can bring out a ruler to measure the show labs. I would like to see them bring out a scale too.
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Agree ! Personally I feel that the show ring has ruined many breeds ... while the obedience and trial classes still show the true values of the original breeding .
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thats an intersting question. don't know enough about breeding to tackle it though =]
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Agree ! Personally I feel that the show ring has ruined many breeds ... while the obedience and trial classes still show the true values of the original breeding .

I agree with you so much I don't even have the words to say. I went to a field test the other day and to watch those gorgeous sleek labs work in comparison to Conan (my friends show line lab) was amazing!

Don't get me wrong, Conan is a beaut! He really is, he is just 85 kgs of unmanagble year old lab! HUGE, big head and all paws!
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