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Old 10-10-2006, 01:36 PM
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Delisay's post got me to thinking. We already know how adament this board is when it comes to responsible breeding and breeding to fill a niche, etc. Ok, so I pose this question to you all.

Let's take the Doberman, a fairly new purebred as far as time goes, and one that was bred for a specific purpose. Now, we've all seen the genetic decline this breed has taken in the last 20 years and someone once posted that it has been hypothesized that the Dobe will go extinct sometime in the next 25 years due to all the increasing and overwhelming health problems. Now, we have a decent idea of what dogs were used to first create this breed, though not exact as Louis Dobermann didn't keep very good records.

The real question: Would it be A) ethical and B)worth trying to resurrect/recreate this breed? The Doberman 2.0 as it were...since we now know how to screen for all sorts of problems, do you think it would be possible to bring back the Doberman of old, but this time as a line relatively free from Wobbler's, heart problems and the overwhelming prevalence of bone cancers?

As a general curiosity, I would love to see the results from this. The "Chaz" side of me is already going "we don't need more mutts!"
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That's a good question. Cavaliers, are another breed with significant health issues...
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Old 10-10-2006, 01:46 PM
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Cavs are another example of what happens when one uses a very small gene pool to try and bring back an already extinct breed. They couldn't test for heart problems back then, and the foundation studs were mainly picked for being the Blenheim color with the lozenge in the middle of their forehead. A good example of what happens when breeding for a specific color too, I think.

With the Dobes, I think if it was made perfectly clear that the dogs up for general sale are on spay/neuter only, sold for a reasonable price (like $100) and are to be loved as pets.
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If it was done the right way I wouldnt have a problem with it

There is just the question of "What would be the right way to go about it"
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Old 10-10-2006, 01:47 PM
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I think in certain circumstances, it's ethical to bring in other breeds to "strengthen" a breed. For example, you mix breed XYZ, which doesn't have the dobie health problems, with the doberman to bring the health problems under control. Then, by selectively breeding, you breed back towards purebred doberman termperament and appearance until the dog appears to be completely dobie again, only hopefully with less health problems. Unfortunately, under current show standards, you can't do that and ever have a purebred dog from that line again so . . . yeah, I don't know.

Bringing back extinct breeds . . . I don't see a point in it unless they fulfilled a function that no modern dog can. :/
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Old 10-10-2006, 02:06 PM
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I may be kinda lost but I think if they just stopped byb it would help.

there are plenty of helathy dobes and if the idiots would stop breeding I think they would be fine.

Now if the breed was down to 100 dogs and not a one of them healthy I'd see a point but there are healthy dogs now.

and if it did get that bad then they could do soemthing like a horse breeding program were they breed back one of another breed somewere in the line to strengthen or add something,But never end the lines completely.
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It would certainly benefit the German Shepherd breed . . .
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Would it be A) ethical and B)worth trying to resurrect/recreate this breed?

I don't know. It's a beautiful breed, and I think it would be sad to see it vanish, but do I think it's worth the creation of more puppies to do it? On the other hand, their core purpose as guard and police/military dogs still exists, and I'm not exactly enthusiastic about the many breeds which have come up to take their place in private homes. If you're looking for an 'impressive/intimidating' dog as a pet in a city or densely-populated suburb, Dobermans are a more reasonable choice in size and weight and behavior. Filas, Presas, etc., are simply unsuitable for many situations, but more and more that's what I'm seeing.
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Old 10-10-2006, 02:39 PM
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I don't have a problem with any breed re-creation, or the formation of a new breed, as long as it is done responsibly. A breed should be created (or re-created) to a specific standard, and with a specific purpose in mind. And of course, ethical breeding practices should be followed: spay/neuter contract, health checks, following the standard, etc.
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