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Old 09-30-2006, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by stevinski View Post
red hasnt bred penny yet,
Probably not but she's probably spent a lot of money in tests, shows etc so far! And that counts, too.

Paula, good for you for getting the dog spayed! Wish you had puppy pictures though And great thing you guys did rescuing those dogs, IMO.

And I hope you stick around.
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Old 09-30-2006, 09:32 AM
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Probably not but she's probably spent a lot of money in tests, shows etc so far! And that counts, too.
yuh and its all been worth while, penny got food results in her OFA test and she just achieved her AKC CH, lol

Paula do you have some pics of your dogs

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Old 09-30-2006, 10:39 AM
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[QUOTE=planet molosser;464898]Look i dont have kids yet i dont equate kids abuse to dogs.

As I said mistakes happen we are not judged by them..

And im not talking about abuse dogs get but neglect where they are dumped.

Im a breeder and my site says dump my dogs in a shelter and after i get the dog back i will HUNT you down. The contract states I will take my dogs back not matter the reason or the excuse .

This give the buyer a back up if life hands them a curve that even the best people cant keep a dog for 15 years. 2 Guarantee's in life death and taxes not keeping a dog.

So feel if more breeders just took care of the dogs they bred on purpose or by accident the amount of neglect or abuse would be cut by half ..

I have room to take back ever dog Ive ever sold...... So to be that is the first and most basic think about breeding the responceablilty for the dogs, than comes the ofa tt and show or work.

Regards to abuse case which was not on topic but I will respond
Does not mean you cant make a decision in abuse cases to do the mercy thing and take back your dog and put it to sleep ending the suffering.

Now maybe im too BROOKLYN but if you abuse my dog my pup i will spend a nite in jail after you get back a little of what you gave .

I have made mistakes and sold to people who neglected my dog so im not perfect the dog has been back here 3 years now . And i beat my hand to the point of blood when i saw the life he was living and had to smile to get the dog back I did what it takes to make sure he came back to love .

Sounds like your pups were born to love just keep in touch with them and make sure they live and die in love thats all.[/QUOTE

You are so very right. Our doggie contract states that if in which you need to sell the dog for any unessarry reason the dog must come back to us. We offer a full buy back contract for each purchaser. Although it stipulates all depends on the condition of the dog upon the return of the dog.

Mind you we only breed our dogs when all areas are secured. Sure there are mistakes that can happen. It happens to the best of us. But when you notice you dog in season you always take the best precaution for her. You never know that desease the male may be caring which will cause a serious infection in the dogs uterous so the last thing you want to do is allow your dog to suffer over a simple mistake.

You are very lucky I am speaking to the origanal poster that your dogs delivered as well as they did. What would you have done if your dog would have hemoraged and or could not have delivered the kids. (DOgs) Here an emergancy c_section after hours is $1600.00 and that is just to walk in the door. SO yes you lucked out. Your dogs had their kids you realise the work involved and you did the right thing. We are proud of you there.

The thing about puppies, they are always cute when they are young to most potential dog owners. but as they grow and get into trouble the novilty rubs off. So with that statement the dog gets pushed and shoved from home to home. That is our concern. As far as kids, Well honey again another sticky subject that I really think that you should search out for yourself. If you do not like what those kids went through and or go through think about what may be happening to you dogs kids. And they are the ones that really do not have a voice to complain about it. Human kids do.
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Old 09-30-2006, 11:01 AM
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The number of pups depends on the breed. 13 seems a lot but is not totally unheard of for a golden or a labrador.Our largest litter at our kennel was 14. With much attending (round the clock) of rotating the pups while they nursed and making sure mama didn't step on them we had all 14 succeed. The usual number for our golden retreivers and labradors was 8.
There were two businesses at the location where the kennel existed. One was a sign shop. That one was to fund the kennel. Field trials, travel expenses, food bills, water bills, vet bills, kennel maintenence, training supplies and trainers is not possibly able to be funding by boarding and litters alone especially when breeding is done responsibly IMO. It is a passion of the heart not a profitable business venture.

Go Petie Go Go Who Go!

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and then in came a little white kitten,
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Old 09-30-2006, 11:11 AM
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My 1st 911 C Section scared the hell out of me I even refused to bond wiht the pups until mom survived the surgery. I told my husband if I kill her by breeidng her take the pups to the other breeder with pups and I will never breed again. I course i freaked out and the Vet said calm down..

She was find one pup got stuck and it was the one female that we bred the dog for the pup died. We tried one more time and she did it again 3 males and 2 dead females this time I said to the vet at age 5.5 SPAY her i cant take this stress.. So we dont have a female from her.... ONe day we hope for a grandkid from a male...

The cost of both c sections and puppy care and supplies and chips and reg was more than we charged for pups.....

On top of this our 1st Multi Champion OFA good fci excellent National winner cgc fci tan was killed by hunters. We are down to 1 Stud and 1 pet intact alive from this litter in which the mom was spayed young to save her life.

Life of a breeder a good breeder is not a bed of roses or a bed stuffed with cash it is filled with heart break, huge bills than only get off set when you have puppy breath and happy buyers - creating something a line that will be remembered forever.

Kudos to the AKC Champion!!!!
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Old 09-30-2006, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by stevinski View Post
red hasnt bred penny yet,
Red would have lots of good advice, maybe Penny hasn't been bred yet, but she has been working with her own rotti's since 1988!
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Old 09-30-2006, 11:34 AM
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Paula's Pet, no one here "makes their living" by breeding dogs. Responsible breeders usually lose money on each litter because of all the health testing and vet visits, not to mention all the time and money that showing the dogs takes. Just thought I'd clear that up. I'm glad you got your dogs spayed, good for you!

BTW, no one here is against mutts either. It's just that with so many mutts dying in shelters, it makes no sense to breed more.
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Old 09-30-2006, 01:15 PM
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Yeah, Red may not have bred Penny but she sure has been there and done that with breeding!
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Old 09-30-2006, 07:47 PM
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I haven't started breeding yet (and won't for a while) but I've begun writing my contract/purchase agreement, and here's a quote:

We will take puppies back at any time during the puppies life, and will either keep the puppy/dog, or we will find a suitible home for the puppy/dog to live happily. If you are not willing to give us the puppy, then we must have 1st dibbs on the puppy if it is to be sold. (We will not allow our puppies to be placed in a shelter, or sold to a broker, puppy mill, or bad home.) If we cannot purchase the puppy, we will assist the owner of the puppy in finding him/her a good home.
Also, Paula, when I 1st came here, I didn't know alot either, and I really thought of leaving because I thought people were so rude, but they were only trying to help. I hope you stay! You can learn SO much. I know I did, and I still need to learn more! I'm glad you got your puppies spayed! Do you have any pictures of your 2 girls?
Don't fear tomorrow.

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Old 10-01-2006, 01:17 AM
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My litter (four weeks old today) is a singleton litter. Just one pup.
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