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Old 09-20-2006, 06:24 PM
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Default The reason people should educate themselves before breeding: Shelby's story.

Besides the obvious strain it puts on the mommy dog for dumb reasons, the puppies are almost always of poor quality. Maybe not right away, it might not happen for years to come, but it does happen. Think of the future owners. When you bring a dog into your house you brign the vet bills too.

11 years ago my mom bought me a sheltie. She has been a wonderful companion since the day she came home with us. She was bought from a puppymill. Not one of the discusting ones you hear about, but it still was a mill. They had over 10 litters available at the time. That is too many puppies!

Anyways, we love our Shelby to bits. I am not into showing so I do not care about papers and show quality. But physically she isn't doing so well anymore. She has thyroid problems, a terrible coat, she has to be on two different types of medications daily, and we have to put artificial tears in her eyes every four hours for the rest of her life because her tear glands are destroyed. Her eyes are all fogged over, and we think she's a little hard at hearing. Still she is a happy old girl who's full of spirit. Some of these things might just be from old age, but there is a possibility they are from bad breeding aswell.

Everyday I watch my dog get a little closer to dying. 11 isn't even really that old for a dog. She looks like she's 162. Our vet said she isn't suffering and that there is no need to put her down as long as we keep up with her special needs. Why would anyone want to breed their dog to produce one that will eventually turn out like mine? Sure, good breeder'ss dogs may turn out like that too, but test your pooches before breeding. It might spare us a couple that will turn out like my beloved Shelby.

That's my story about my lovely old sheltie who's sleeping on her bed (yes, she actually has an entire bed) in the middle of the living room. If you really want to experiance birth foster a pregnant dog, please. The world doesn't need anymore heartbreak.

Well, that's my first post. I am Paige. I own one 11 yearold shetlie, and two four and a half month old boarder collie puppies (I also own other animals, but it's really not important). One of the pups we were babysitting and the owner just never came and picked him up. I'm not sure how much I'll be posting, but you'll see me around I guess.

I have been reading the breeding threads for awhile before joining and I think the uneducated people really do not understand why they should not be breeding their common family pets. You guys all talk about the health of the puppies, but what happens when they become full grown dogs? Well, your dog might turn out like my little girl. Not saying she is a burden and I am not against breeding (though I do think adoption is a better choice if you are in a position where you can adopt). It preserves the breeds we love so much, but only if you have the knowledge to back up your actions.

I am starting to preach, so I will shush now.
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Old 09-20-2006, 06:43 PM
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Thank you so much for posting!
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Old 09-20-2006, 06:58 PM
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Old 09-20-2006, 09:52 PM
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Preach on !!!!! Thanks for joining the forces !!!!
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Old 09-20-2006, 09:52 PM
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Old 09-20-2006, 10:05 PM
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Great post and I'm so sorry that you had to go through learning the hard way with your girl..

It definately stricks a pain in my to see BYB/puppy mills breeding Shelties - a breed that I grew up with and still live with. We owned, trained, showed, titled, tested and bred Shelties. All had contracts, all were placed in proper homes.

Its horrible how some people never think of the after effect.

Good post and welcome to the board!

maybe you could psot some pictures of your girl?
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Old 09-20-2006, 10:24 PM
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I am sorry to hear about your sheltie. My two dogs recently mated, and had puppies. They are both pet quality chihuahuas. We were under the impression the boy could not reproduce, however he was able to. There were some problems and we didnt know whether to abort the puppies or keep them, but originally we decided to keep them. After speaking with the knowledgable folk around here we did decide to abort them. However by the time we came to that decision, there wasnt a vet in town that would abort the puppies that late.

I would say people should be educated because most people do not understand the complications that can occur, or that there is a difference in "qualities" of pets, myself included. Most people are just normal pet owners who love their pets to death, but arent fanatics and read up on them like we all do. I would say most people who want to breed their dogs want to give their friends puppies.

Not only are there health complications, like i soon learned. There wasnt anything that could prepare me for the time and attentioned needed to raise puppies if something goes wrong. There were days I had to feed them every few hours because fajita didnt have enough milk, or she just didnt feel like nursing. Who has the time to do that? My weekend plans all had to be canceled, my day plans as well. I just lost my job conveniantly the day before that. I dont know how the puppies would have lived had that not happened! it requires SO much TIME.

And when that stress is put on you, you worry about EVERYTHING with the puppies, from blood sugar to having nightmares of waking up and the puppies being dead.

I left the room for one second the night they were born, and when i came back fajita was trying to eat the runt... I dont think most people are prepared to see something like that. It was vicious, there was blood everywhere and she was flailing it around in the air by his umbellical cord, trying to fit him into her mouth. (no she wasnt nipping his cord, she was slurping it like speghetti and getting her jaws ready to clamp on him) I had to cut the umbellical cord myself, because she would not release it from her jaws, and there was less than a CM between his belly and her teeth. The puppy bled for a few hours, and he also had a tiny abrasion on his shoulder.
It was scary! and he required CONSTANT care after that.

I dont know alot about dogs, but I know that if the general public were as educated about breeding as some of the least knowledgeble people here, then I think most people would decide to leave the breeding to the professionals, including myself.
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Old 09-20-2006, 11:02 PM
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mnin ... I'm glad you stuck with us and can now help educate others . It takes a big person to take what you did from us , and are now in our corner !! Kudos ! I know we have many lurking out there ... thinking it would be fun to breed ...puppies are so cute !!! They have NO IDEA the money/time and heartache that occurs !
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Old 09-20-2006, 11:14 PM
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Thank you so much for sharing that. We need people like you who would share their story and help educate people! It helps make this forum stronger.
Mninh-Thank you for sharing your story as well. Thank you for asking for help, taking responsibilty, and learning, and most of all, staying after what you reicieved on your end. I have gained respect for you!
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Old 09-20-2006, 11:35 PM
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