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Old 09-04-2006, 07:20 PM
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JDthe Pug. Actually, I bred Lucy, my Silkshire. http://www.freewebs.com/puppylover92/index.htm Please excuse my website, I just began making it, and it's nowhere near finished.




Here are pictures of my 2 potential dogs that I'll be using in my breeding program. They are both only 6mo, and they'll need to be tested OFA, and CERF before we breed them, so we're not going to have pups anytime soon.(They can't be tested until 2yrs of age)
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Old 09-04-2006, 07:21 PM
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Here's one for you about the "Hybrid vigor". Make a thread asking about how many of us "true" mutt owners, the ones that don't have the fancy names and astronomical price tags, have had myriad health issues. I'll toss one out there for you...a lady at work as the cutest little lab/golden/who knows mix...total mutt thorugh and through; the perfect "hybrid vigor" specimen. This cute little dog had to undergo a $5,000 hip operation at the age of 9 months because of hip dysplasia.

The thing that gets me about all these people buying "designer dogs" and thinking that they're better off than a "shelter mutt"...do you have any idea of many fancy, high priced doodles are now languishing in a shelter because they got too big, ended up shedding, or have the health problems of both breeds? Just because a dog is in a shelter does not mean it was "bad". Most likely, it was bought by someone just like you who thought that "breeder dog" meant "unfailable" and were sadly misled.

If there was a DD breeder that engaged in proper health and temperment testing, bred for more than just the F1 crosses and somehow managed to establish a standard for their breed, sure. Go for it. However 99.5% of DD breeders out there have not one clue about how to do this, because in order to get their breeding stock to begin with, they have to go through a less than reputable purebred breeder to get the bitch/stud, because no reputable breeder is going to let one of their dogs go for such a purpose.
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Old 09-04-2006, 07:21 PM
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I'm so confused Dixie's mom.

Your 14 and breed Yorkies? Or does your parents? Do you show in order for those dogs to have Ch. in front of their name - or do your parents?
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Old 09-04-2006, 07:25 PM
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*cough twitch* I hope to God your Yorkie will mature at more than 3 1/2 pounds, otherwise you're probably going to kill her by breeding.
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Old 09-04-2006, 07:26 PM
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Yes, the breeder we got her from inssured us she'd be 5lbs.
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Old 09-04-2006, 07:29 PM
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JDthe pug, yes I'm 14(15 in Oct), and I breed Yorkies. I plan on showing my little Dixie by this summer. She has CH. lines, but I didn't show her parents/grandparents, the breeder we bought her from did. My parents support me, and are there when I need them, but I bought Dixie for $1,500 on my own, and did about 2yrs of reseach before getting her. I made sure she came from a reputable breeder, and we're right now in search of a good male. We're not going to breed her to a male who hasn't been OFA or CERF tested.
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The thing that gets me about all these people buying "designer dogs" and thinking that they're better off than a "shelter mutt"...do you have any idea of many fancy, high priced doodles are now languishing in a shelter because they got too big, ended up shedding, or have the health problems of both breeds? Just because a dog is in a shelter does not mean it was "bad". Most likely, it was bought by someone just like you who thought that "breeder dog" meant "unfailable" and were sadly misled.
Actually I mentioned that in my post. Many shelter dogs ARE in fact very sweet dogs who were given up for the terrible reasons above. But, a relative of mine also got a sweet little puppy from a shelter- the dog turned out to be hand-shy, nervous, and not at all social. He was abused when he was a puppy. I know for a fact that the family trained him well; obedience classes, socialization from an early age, etc. The fact of the matter is, you don't know what you're getting with a shelter dog. Now that is not to say that you know exactly what you're getting with a breeder dog, either...but you know that the dog hasn't been abused.
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Old 09-04-2006, 07:31 PM
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Here's Dixie, our Yorkie mom. She hasn't had a litter yet, but with those awesome champions on both sides of her pedigree, she's gonna have some awesome little show pups. We plan on titling her, before we breed her. She weighs just 3 & 1/4 pounds!
How do you know "Dixie" will have awesome little show pups? Do you even know the standard? Do you have a mentor?

Who is going to title her? How old is she?

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Prices are determined by breed, markings, size, and potential. We don't price based on personality because all of our puppies have priceless personalities.
Puke. A good breeder has one price on their puppies, they do not judge it on size, markings, potential, whatever... some breeders who have sold show quality puppies higher than pet quality puppies will tell you how that's setting yourself up for disaster.

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Puppies are sold no younger than 8wks of age
Have you even read the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America's code of ethics?? I suggest you do, as they state:

8) All puppies leaving the breeders possession will be a minimum of twelve (12) weeks of age to facilitate adequate socialization as well as appropriate emotional and temperament development through interaction with siblings, dam and other dogs.
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Old 09-04-2006, 07:37 PM
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Actually I mentioned that in my post. Many shelter dogs ARE in fact very sweet dogs who were given up for the terrible reasons above. But, a relative of mine also got a sweet little puppy from a shelter- the dog turned out to be hand-shy, nervous, and not at all social. He was abused when he was a puppy. I know for a fact that the family trained him well; obedience classes, socialization from an early age, etc. The fact of the matter is, you don't know what you're getting with a shelter dog. Now that is not to say that you know exactly what you're getting with a breeder dog, either...but you know that the dog hasn't been abused.
And then you have all three of my shelter dogs...the biggest behavioral problem I have is with Aubrey and her barking at other dogs while on-leash. Easily manageable. My Aussie Sawyer was a stray, I have no idea in the world what his background was like...he is the best dog I have ever had, hands down. My Lab Virgo, has the sweetest, most gentle temperment you could hope for. She lets my boss' 10 month old boy belly flop on her and crawl all over poking at noses and ears without even lifting her head.

You cannot judge all shelter dogs on one poor example. It is also quite easy to temperment test a shelter dog, same as you can a breeder dog. If you find that it has a quirk you don't think you can deal with, find another. My one complaint about people going to the shelter is the same as those who buy from petstores. They choose on cuteness and probable size and not much else, then think all shelter dogs suck when obvious problems arise.
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Old 09-04-2006, 07:42 PM
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How do you know "Dixie" will have awesome little show pups? Do you even know the standard? Do you have a mentor?

Who is going to title her? How old is she?

Yes, I know the standard, and no I don't have a mentor. I am going to title her. She's 5 1/2mo.



Puke. A good breeder has one price on their puppies, they do not judge it on size, markings, potential, whatever... some breeders who have sold show quality puppies higher than pet quality puppies will tell you how that's setting yourself up for disaster.

If a dog is show potential, I price them higher than pups that are being sold as pets(generally pups that are smaller, or have a bad bite, etc)



Have you even read the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America's code of ethics?? I suggest you do, as they state:

8) All puppies leaving the breeders possession will be a minimum of twelve (12) weeks of age to facilitate adequate socialization as well as appropriate emotional and temperament development through interaction with siblings, dam and other dogs.
It states that no pup is sold under 8wks meaning ANY puppy, not only Yorkies. I haven't read the YTCA's code, but I will. I have read though that they must be 12wks, and they will be. I already mentioned that the site is not finished. We also intend to show/breed Huskies, and Maltese and they are not added to the site yet. We're still looking for quality dogs of these breeds.
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