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Old 09-24-2006, 03:45 PM
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Well I must say I can not beleive the attitudes of some people. How can you justify yourselves when just breeding for money. There is so much more to it than that. Sure you want good temps on your dogs but you need to secure other areas as well.

Our daughter is in the Special Olympic's she is doing wonderful due to the coach a very good freind of ours. The Sergent has really taken a great interest in our girl and she has gone all the way to Brandon Manitoba and Came home with Golds Silvers and Bronse medles. We are waiting for the results to see if she and her coach are going to China.

So what I did was go out and buy a Yorky Poo from a breeder here. Well go figure this dog had the lextatingpatila, bad hips and a jaw that need repaired. WoW what a mess. Well guess what The boss and his wife are totally in love with the dog named Tiny. Did I approach the breeder oh you know I did. She needs a swift kick and we all know where. So no there is a lot more to breeding than just playing games like these BYB are doing.
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Old 09-25-2006, 09:27 AM
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I have to say, that little popcorn icon is hilarious!
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Old 09-25-2006, 09:48 AM
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Why is it so important to show your dogs if your going to breed them? I wouldn't want the life of a show dog. When are they not be paraded around and manhandled and constantly handled or in a crate ready for there class to come up. At least my dogs can run and play and be a dog. They are loved and pampered but not manhandled and crated all day. Half of the dogs in these dogs shows are "handled" by other people. Not there owners. They sit in the audience and watch. They rake in the big breeding fees when there dog wins. Who can afford these dogs but other show people. I know breeders in my area that show there dogs. Why would I want to travel all over to wait all day for my class to show. This is more stress on the dog. Theres no reason to have a show quality dog if you just want a pet.
Ha ha ha ha... I'd love to see someone try to 'manhandle' a Neo. Remember the business end has teeth!

Seriously, we show our dogs to prove to ourselves that they are correct for their breed, whether we are interested in breeding or not. It is a matter of pride in your dog and the breed which it represents. There are many champions which are never bred from. I really don't see your point either when you talk about the difference between show and pet quality. This is a decision you make before you aquire a dog and you should really try to understand that each person has his own reasons for which of the two they want. As to the manner in which show dogs are kept; All my friends want to come back in their next lives as one of my dogs! Pampered pooches, every one of them.

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Old 09-25-2006, 12:03 PM
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Basic idea of profits that us breeders are "supposed" to make from breeding a litter, the following does NOT include the campaigning of my dogs which is a great expence, but as it is my hobby I have not included it in.

Cost of breeding my litter,

Willows health checks, hips xrays and sending to be examined approx £100
general anesthesic £50
Eyes tested £25
Stud fee £800
So before even breeding costs are already £975

After mating.
Scan £40
Litter box made for me wood materials and labour £100
Heatlamp £30
Vetcheck £30
Suppliments £30
Cal D £40
Puppy formula for Willow few tubs @ £22 £66
Puppies now born. X6
Vet check £30
Vaccinations (total course) £42 each £252.00 and worming for 6 £300 inc vacc
Microbotic for whn pups got bad runs including vet check £62
KC registrations X 6 approx £90
Pedigrees printed (on the cheap by friend) £30
Food for Willow and pups willow fed them til they were 6 weeks
I kept them til they were 12 weeks £60
Vet bed bought full roll so there was some for each pup to take home £180
Toys and sundries easily £100
Puppy packs including 1 months supply of frozen meat/toys/bedding
Printed history of their lines including photographs/training books/leads
Collar/bowls all good quality. supply of worming tablets/supplements/
Etc and much more lets say £75 each max £450
Total out going £2,643

Sold 4 puppies kept 2 puppies sold at 850 each so 4 x 850 = £3,400
Total income at this point £757
Less refunds to each puppy on neutering and speying as per my contract
And on production of proof from vet (all done now) 4 x 100 £400

less gift vouchers towards trainingschool 4x£20 £80
Total profit from breeding a litter £277

so from breeding this litter, and after sleeping downstairs with mum and pups for 12 weeks my “income” was £33.24 per week, that’s not including taking out for many sundries that I have not included. I class myself as a reputable breeder, I don’t pump out litters every year nor do I breed more than once a year,

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Old 09-25-2006, 12:40 PM
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Not all dogs shown live the life of a full time show dog.
My dogs work in a pack with livestock all week and 5-10 weekends a year out of 52 we show them .

They do NOT live in crates and BTU they love the crate dens they have at home when I hand out bones outside or inside they look for a crate dog house or a den they dug.

Purebred dogs need to be evaluted to the standard as long as the standard is still in my opinion a working standard NOT changed for the show ring..

They need to he health certified , temperament tested and WORKED.

To qualify for a breeding - it took me 6 years to finish my foundation bitch and many SHOW breeders wont breed until they have champions.

I take them out to showcase my dogs abilties and my own ability to properly handled this breed in public...

Not everything is black and white show dogs vs working dogs .
I believe in total dogs which is why we will NEVER go AKC and stick with UKC..

Also in many backyard breeders cases the excuse they do not show at all is because A they can not afford it it cuts into the bottom profit margin and B they dont know how to do it so it is better to attack the system then to become part of it.

My dog shows cost 300-500 hundred dollars per weekend, and I only breed 1 or 2 small litters a year - Do the math.

Now If i stayed at home and did not show, did not test for health or temperament I would be making about 10,000 grand a year,,

This winter i need to spay one retired bitch age 6 , one dog failed for breeding and one rescue that is 1,000, i have to penn hip a new female that is another 300 and i need collect 3 males 400 X 3...
Ive done 8 shows this year so far, Plus old dog care is about 300 per dog to get them cleared at age 9 + got to do 2 a year..

This does not include supplies, registrations, dog food, vet bills, vaccines, avid chips, advertising, websites, domains, etc.

So the person who shows iS not allways the this big bad person trying to
'steal : the market from backyard breeders.

It is some cases it is someone who takes on challenges and wishes to raise the bar of their breeding vs skimming under it.

JD
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Old 09-25-2006, 01:01 PM
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Excellent post JD

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Old 09-26-2006, 11:56 AM
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Thanks moe i love when people ask me to breed more they dont understand just how much it cost like your list wrote..
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Old 09-26-2006, 06:10 PM
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Moe,

You forgot to factor in the cost of raising your brood bitch up to breeding age... You wind up with a negative amount per hour!

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