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Old 08-28-2006, 07:19 PM
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Dobermaniacs! Share and let me know what is a good way to train a Doberman puppy and how to make it confident; playful; friendly; agressive and dangerous when required? and share your useful tips. Thanks
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Old 08-28-2006, 08:18 PM
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Do you already have a puppy? Or are you thinking of getting one? Is this your first dog ever? What made you decide on this breed, if you don't mind my asking?

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Socialize, socialize, socialize. Think and write a list of everything you might ever want your dog to feel confident about and expose him, making sure everything is pleasurable and not frightening. Every single day, get that pup out amongs all kinds of people; adults, men, women, children, (children 2-4 yrs, children between 4-8, children between 8-18) different colors, different clothing, hats, umbrellas, vet's office a couple times a week for a weight, cookie and pat, clipping nails, baths, having strangers "examine" him, pat him all over...different environments, ground surfaces, crowds of people, small numbers of people, machinery, traffic, car rides, other animals, including dogs and more.

Obedience puppy class is wonderful if you find a reputable trainer who uses motivation and reward training methods as opposed to yanking a dog by his collar and harshness. Dobermans, especially can be very, very sensative and can be ruined by heavy handedness.

Teach him that you are to be trusted explicitly, never be harsh, but teach him the rules. Be consistant and make training sessions fun. Obedience training is a must. You can start right away with basic stuff; sit, come, down, stay. Motivate and reward. Make very short sessions when he's a baby....5 minutes a couple times a day, lots of romping and running...not so excessive that it's too much for his joints.

I'd recommend some books before you get your pup, if you haven't already and even if you have already. Culture Clash, by Jean Donaldson, Don't Shoot the Dog by Karen Pryor, The Power of Positive Training, Pat Miller. Those are absolutely invaluable. I wish I read them a long time ago. Please don't get into the Cesar Milan intimidation/domination stuff. That can really take the drive out of a dog. And a good Doberman needs some drive. Any dog needs drive. But if you don't want a chicken hearted Dobe, don't use all that force and intimidation. IMO. They sure do need rules and they need to learn to be obedient, but that comes from educating them, not pushing them around.

You do not teach a Doberman to be protective. If they're going to be, they will be with ample socialization and obedience training. And most of all, from having a good, bonding relationship with their family. They must be with their family most of the time, not left alone outside. Some have it more than others. But a shy, fearful, unsocialized Doberman is a disaster. A well socialized, well trained, well bred Doberman is a wonderful breed, but they take a tremendous amount of work. They need oodles of exercise and they have endless energy as youngsters. You have to go out and meet people every day....a lot of work. But an undersocialized Doberman will not learn what is normal to be able to compare to what is not normal, therefore will not reconize the difference between the good guys and the bad.

Again.....they have been breeding them to be more mellow than in the old days. Some are more protective than others. Some are of poor temperament. It's really important to be careful when selecting and to learn all you can first. And to have the righ reasons for choosing a breed such as this.

Let us know what you're plans are....if you haven't gotten a pup yet, let us help you, if you need it regarding how to find a good breeder, what to watch for etc. If you just want a dog to be aggressive, dangerous...that's a scary thought. If you need protection really badly, there are better ways.

Look up on Google, the DPCA website. (Doberman Pinscher Club of America) There will be more info there...a good place to start.
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Old 08-29-2006, 07:08 AM
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Thanks a lot for your keen interest in helping me with the dog stuff. No I don't have a puppy yet but I'm planning on buying one real soon. I had dogs when I was very young about two dogs; one was very small and the other one was a big white cute dog; he was not so intimidating though. My father would take him for hunting.

What made me select this breed? Well I didn't do any research and I only know about a few breeds like Doberman; German Shepherd; bulldogs; greyhounds that comes to my mind. Why a doberman? Well my girl friend thinks they are stylish; haha; secondly I like the fact that they are intimidating. When I see them with someone on a walk or somewhere I get so terrified. Well I want a dog to be a DOG; you know not a sissy or a show piece dog. So my mind just appeals to them and think they should be a good choice, I want a dog to be loyal and should know what is right and wrong; should be friendly but should know when soemthing isn't right. I don't want a protection but I want a dog to have some balls you know? Now some say German Shephed also fits good on what I want and some tells me about Doberman; but why I think I'll go for Doberman is because of their looks; intimidation factor; and they shed less hair; haha. Now you have to tell me which dog I should choose because you know better and seems to be a Dobby Pro! Thank you!
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Old 08-29-2006, 08:27 AM
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What made me select this breed? Well I didn't do any research and I only know about a few breeds like Doberman; German Shepherd; bulldogs; greyhounds that comes to my mind. Why a doberman? Well my girl friend thinks they are stylish; haha; secondly I like the fact that they are intimidating. When I see them with someone on a walk or somewhere I get so terrified. Well I want a dog to be a DOG; you know not a sissy or a show piece dog. So my mind just appeals to them and think they should be a good choice, I want a dog to be loyal and should know what is right and wrong; should be friendly but should know when soemthing isn't right. I don't want a protection but I want a dog to have some balls you know? Now some say German Shephed also fits good on what I want and some tells me about Doberman; but why I think I'll go for Doberman is because of their looks; intimidation factor; and they shed less hair; haha. Now you have to tell me which dog I should choose because you know better and seems to be a Dobby Pro! Thank you!
Sounds like you basically want a perfect dog . . . Dobermans, like all dogs, can't distinguish "right from wrong" without being taught to do so. Dogs aren't born with a set of human morals.
Why are you so keen on having a dog that looks stylish and intimidates people (and don't the two clash a bit . . .)? The great thing about the Doberman is that people often don't know they are protective until the dog really needs to be. Most Dobes that I meet enjoy attention from strangers and can be friendly and social while still being watchful and alert.

I loooove Dobermans but if you just want a dog that will look intimidating and be perfect otherwise, I would just get a gun and keep it where people can see. Dobermans are very active, very intelligent and though I've never lived with one, I am sure that they can be quite trying at times. You really have to want the dog as a friend and companion, because they want to be so much more than a fashion statement.

There are quite a few Dobe owners here and combined, they have LOADS of info. I'm sure they will be of more help to you . . . good luck!
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Old 08-29-2006, 10:39 AM
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RD made some great points. No dog knows right from wrong the way we do. T

hey are VERY trying as puppies, high energy. They make you want to pull your hair out and go climb a tree and escape. They are not easy puppies. They're pushy and persistant. They don't give up easily. Please do your research, lots of it before you get into this. They are not a dog for everyone. Some people are obsessed with dogs and want to do everything with their dog, want the dog with them all the time, love training and working on things with them a lot and just be very involved. That's what it takes with a Doberman. Some people like the companionship of a dog and like having them around when they have time for them, but don't have oodles of time to spend with a dog. This breed is not for that kind of person. All dogs, especially puppies take a lot of time and work, good training but not all dogs require the intense time a Doberman does.

Their temperaments also vary quite a bit. Some are friendly to strangers, but most are more on the aloof side. They actually should be. They don't all have "balls." Some are real marshmellows. They're highly playful and goofy, getting into mischief and slow to mature. It is imperative to go to a reputable breeder. Find out how to find a reputable breeder. Don't go by websites. A lot of websites look great and they're lousy breeders. Always start with the best you can find, bred for good temperament, sound bodies, good health. Dobes have a ton of potential health problems in many lines, in some cases, in all lines....big time. Research that.

Start here and do some serious soul searching and decide if your reasons for wanting a dog in general and a particular breed specifically are the "right" reasons. A dog is a living, thinking creature who needs us. They're dependent on us like children are. It's a major commitment when getting a dog and puppies are tremendously trying and take some know how. Learn all you can first before jumping into it. You really have to like to read and talk to people a lot. LOL. I spent over a year researching the Doberman breed and another year looking for just the right breeder who would be having pups. I spent extra time learning more about training and behavior. In fact that is continuing all the time. Responsible breeders don't all have pups at the drop of a hat. You normally have to wait a long time. In fact, this is good that you're seeking information. Kudos to you for that. It will save you a lot of heart ache down the road.
Start with this and let us know what you think.

This is something I wrote after loads of study and I think it will give you an idea of how dogs think and learn....a start, anyhow. It's long but figure on reading a lot for a while. It really will help you a lot. (there are also stickies here and in the puppy forum...the top threads with little thumb tacs. Some of those might be helpful.)

http://www.chazhound.com/forums/show...n+relationshps

This is the Doberman Pinscher Club site....lots of good info. Check out the all the links.
http://www.dpca.org/

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Old 08-29-2006, 01:27 PM
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I'm just going to elaborate on the "right from wrong" factor.

I own a Belgian Tervuren male.

Now, hes indimidating in himself - BUT I did NOT get him for that aspect. I got Riot because I wanted a loyal, intelligent, quick thinking/acting, willing working dog. I also wanted a dog that i could show - No hes not the "
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" type of dog at all - yet he does well in it.

At 9 months of age he recieved his Novice Rally Title. He came from working and show lines (as all belgians should).

BUT he went through a horrible puppy stage where he didn't know right from wrong and automatically went into defensive/aggresive mode when a stranger would approach him or I. He lunged at our conformation instructor, growled at friends and basically scared anyone away. EVEn with consistant socializing he was like that from 6 months of age until he was about 9.5 months old. He didn't know "the right time" to be protective because he was "always on" as a pup. It took consistant work with trainers and Belgian handlers and I. Now he'll give strangers kisses, allow kids to pet him and most recently has recieved his Canine Good Neighbour title(hUGE breakthrough).

Now, hes been in Search and Rescue training, Obedience work for his CD, Agility training, RallyO Advanced and Excellent training as well as continuale Conformation training.
Dogs take work - and LOTS of it.

If you are thinking of a Doberman as a breed -be prepared to put LOTS of WORK into your dog. I've met a few Dobes and spoken to Dobe owners/breeders at shows about them and have heard from them they need TONS of PROPER socializing and early training to be a Good Dog.
I have even had the opertunity to meet a Protection trained Guard Doberman that used to work in a Prison. Even he needed to be taught right from wrong - LOTS LOTS LOTS of work for that one.

No dog comes with a natural "right from wrong" instinct in the human world. We need to curve their minds as to what is acceptable behaviour and what is not.

I suggest before purchasing your puppy. Look into Doberman lines - Some Dobes come from aggresion lines, therefore bringing aggresion issues to their offspring. Go to dog shows, speak to ALL the doberman owners you can find about their dogs, training and socializing their dog recieved.
That is the ONLY WAY of getting a sound and SANE puppy to start off with.

Only the ones with stable temperment will do what you'd like.
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Old 08-29-2006, 07:02 PM
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posters to this thread might want to read this initial post
http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34107

The more I read, I'm sorry, the more the mindset of the OP, bothers me.
The reasons you are now stating for wanting a dog, are not a good reason in my book.

I'm sorry again, but you make it sound like you want a dog as a "status symbol".. You want "intimidating", "aggressive", etc. yet you've never owned either a gsd or a dobie, Guess you wouldn't be interested in say, a maltese eh?

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Old 08-29-2006, 07:09 PM
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Doberluv,
I've decided I'll get a Doberman as I've taken it as a challenge and previlage to own a doberman and what more than to have you as my mentor to help me in every step. Now few questions and you tell me what is the right choice for me. Should I buy a Doberman Puppy or should I buy an adult dog? How old in either case? Can I take a Doberman in my room? Can I take a nap with a doberman and wake up alive in one piece? What about the food? Can I be active and acrobatic on my own being with a Doberman?

If I leave the dog in my home on the outerside; let's say he'll be open to roam in the garden and all areas outside the main rooms of the house but ofcourse within the main outer gate of the house; leaving him to roam around at night or should I make a little home at one side if he wants to relax? Will it be ok to occassionaly take him inside the room as I can not do it regularly. Summing up I have a house with a small garden and has an exterior outer path across the inner rooms of the house. It's about 150 to 200 meters of free space for the dog and ofcourse he'll go with me for exercise and walk daily and yes a female would be better or a male if I intend to keep only 1 dog? Thanks!
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posters to this thread might want to read this initial post
http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34107

The more I read, I'm sorry, the more the mindset of the OP, bothers me.
The reasons you are now stating for wanting a dog, are not a good reason in my book.

I'm sorry again, but you make it sound like you want a dog as a "status symbol".. You want "intimidating", "aggressive", etc. yet you've never owned either a gsd or a dobie, Guess you wouldn't be interested in say, a maltese eh?

Just my opinion
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If I haven't owned a Dobby there has to be a start? and I want intimidating; agressive in this sense that he does show that side if requied which I hope not. Not that someone comes and slaps me and the Dobby would stand and watch; atleast he should see me and we should have a mutual decison to make over there. You see!
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Old 08-29-2006, 07:51 PM
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zaidoo,
I think you should rethink your breed choice...... Dobermans need more time than you have to spend on one.
They are a very demanding breed.

Will your doberman be kept outside? That is how it seems.
If so, that should not be an option for a doberman.
And a doberman can shed quite alot. Even though the hair is short.

Several things about your statements on this thread and the one posted above really concern me.

And no you don't have to start........yet. Maybe when you are able to work less hours or take your dog with you, Maybe when you decide you don't want intimidating and aggressive when you live with a four year old, older family members and a maid. Maybe when you don't want the dog to live in your courtyard, but inside with a family for proper socialization, so you don't have a fear aggressive or attention getting explosive dog.

Just my take on the matter, but I am sure you will follow thru with your decision anyway. I just hope you socialize the heck out of that dog and teach the dog that all the people in the household are "pack leaders" not just you.

One more thing....... It is YOUR responsibility to protect your dog from harm... not the other way around.
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