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Old 08-09-2006, 12:44 AM
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He showed us somethings like hitting here with a pan to make the ping sound which is suppose to startle her and stop biting and how to walk her right.
Are you kidding?????? Hit her with a pan???? Startle her? How could you allow someone to do that?

That behaviorist sounds like a nut job. Being harsh and frightening, wild, noisy, is not being a leader...is no way to handle any dog. There are other ways. She'll just get habituated (use) to that sound and it will mean nothing other than it will make her fear you. Fear puts a dog on the defense. This is not a place you want to put a dog. You'll have to get tougher and tougher until it turns into abuse. Aversives and harsh punishment can cause aggression and real neurosis.

If you're going to keep her, (I cringe at the thought) I recommend you find a behaviorist who uses methods based on operant conditioning with the emphasis on motivation and reward. This dog will just end up in a power struggle with you if you enter into a dominance game....who can out do the other.

There are other effective ways to work through this. Please find a positive method trainer.
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Old 08-09-2006, 12:49 AM
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That guy is a jackass. Pure and simple. You do not do yourself or the dog any good at all by hitting with anything.

I'm going to side with Doberluv and say that you should probably rehome the dog with someone who knows what they are doing and knows what the dog is like before hand. You said yourself that you probably should not have gotten the dog in the first place. It will re-adjust to a new home.

Think of it this way, new home and probably happy/alive or your home where you hit it with pans until it seriously bites one of your family members one day and has to be put down. Your choice.
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Old 08-09-2006, 12:53 AM
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Well i now realize what it sounds like its like a shiney metal pan that like you get when you buy a pie or something one that wouldnt hurt but it stil wasnt a good idea.But it didnt hurt the dog I wouldnt off allowed him to hit her with a real pan. About the trainers I mean the people at the behaiviorhal classes were real trainers and stuff I mean this positive methods with my dog didnt seem to work all that good thats why i wondering if any1s heard about a dog whistle working or not cuz the bitter apple works to a point and so did shocking the dog on the invisible fence.
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Old 08-09-2006, 01:01 AM
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Positive methods will work when they're done correctly. It works on all mammals. They train tigers in zoos to tolerate the workers coming in and drawing blood from their veins. They use to have to anesthesize them. They train dolphins to do all kinds of things. They train service dogs, movie actor dogs, messed up dog who need rehabilitation with operant conditioning type methods. Again, startling and making a dog more nervous than he already is is going to ruin him.

I hope you seriously consider finding him a more experienced person. It's not the positive methods which don't work. It's the trainer.

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Think of it this way, new home and probably happy/alive or your home where you hit it with pans until it seriously bites one of your family members one day and has to be put down. Your choice.
I see this happening.....absolutely.
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Old 08-09-2006, 01:27 AM
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Findng a home with someone who knows what there doing is harder then you think especially out here in the country and ppl think they dog will be ez her looks are desceving but they prolly couldnt really take care of her better then us and I cant just give it to a pound cuz the same thing will happen switching from home to home until eventually its put down. And with the positive behaivor im all for it if I knew what to do when shes bitting on us or attakcing us thats the problem I need some pointers(also the dog has improved since we got it the biting is dieing down and we dont abuse the dog in anyway or hit it with anything and I dont think this is a lost cause quite yet cuz a friend of mine who has had German Shepards and Rottweilers says that what shes doing is natural and that he just kept restraing his dogs to the ground and eventually it stopped just that isnt working for me.)
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Old 08-09-2006, 10:16 AM
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Restraining the dog to the ground is probably going to make her increasingly frustrated and aggressive

I agree with the others, a behaviorist is needed & she needs to be spayed !

you might want to try implementing NILIF
Here's some links
http://www.k9deb.com/nilif.htm
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/nothingfree.htm
http://www.nomorehomelesspets.org/be.../dog/nilif.htm
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Old 08-09-2006, 10:24 AM
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are you sure he didn't say hit the PAN with something, not hit her with the pan?? seems much more believable, which would just be a pattern interrupt so you could move the dogs attention over to something else, just like clapping your hands. But then again there are trainers that have you throw bean bags at dogs for things, so who knows.
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Old 08-09-2006, 10:31 AM
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havearottweiler, it sounds like you're getting the best advice there is. You asked, I hope you're wise enough to listen. Either suck it up and pay a GOOD trainer to help you, b/c it'll reward you with many good years with this dog(worth more than any tv or toys or whatever) or Give the dog back,and accept that, or find it a new home with a competent trainer. it's hard, but it's life! Some dogs/people aren't good matches,and it takes a huge commitment to get some dogs livable.
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Old 08-09-2006, 11:31 AM
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I'm not going to even touch the 'trainers' advice about hitting her with a pan except to say...pelase don't do that again. Ever. That won't help you train her, it'll only make your problem worse.

Now, it sounds to me like she's a "Wild Frapper"
Fraps (frequent random activiy patterns) are common among pups, they race around the room bounce off furniture and generally act like rubber balls for five minutes or so. Some puppies nip at hands, feet, play growl, and jump at people while frapping. Seen a lot of it, doesn't mean that's for sure what's going on with your puppy, but from your discription about how she only does this 'when excited'... that's what it sounds like to me.

Either way, keep a leash on her at all times. When she starts to get excited grab that leash and hook it over a doorknob, close door, instant teather. Walk away from the dog and don't go back untill she's settled. You MUST watch her and catch it BEFORE she really get's riled up. I'm sure you know the signs by now that mean she's getting over excited, as soon as you see them hook her to a door an walk away.

When she's clam you can go back and un-hook her.

This is ONLY a means of mangement for this behavior. You're going to want to find a qualified trainer to work with so you can get better contol of her in the long run. Assumeing you want to keep her. Also, be sure she's getting enough exercise and play time as this can help her to settle more easily.
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Old 08-09-2006, 01:58 PM
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Default Thanks thats exactly on point silver

Yeah thats exactly what she does I mean as of today Ive been studying her more and I think she does have respect for us such as she has us walkthrough doors before her and she sits on our laps when shes chewing on our toys. Its just these random times when stuff like the bitting happens shes improved alot since we 1st got her.
I dont think the trainer is nescasary so far today shes been perfect this includes kids touching her,walking with me there was no pulling, she also obeyed me when i called her over when she was chasing a cat and she never once bite any1 today.
So im gonna try the door knob thing thats actually good advice cuz I dont wanna hurt her but I think she needs some punishment of some sort to get her outta this stage or to prevent her from biting some one.
As for the pan its like an alumnium pan that wouldn't hurt no matter how hard she was hit and the guy knew what he was doing because hes trained over 2000 dogs before and he got control of my dog pretty fast.
If you wana here something realy bad one of the trainers at the obedience class told us to give the dog a punch in the nose if she bite us because biting is unaccepted and I saw her do this to her dog.(Believe me I never once tried punching my dog which I know would be like 2 steps back and just make her hate me).
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