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Old 08-08-2006, 10:16 AM
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Rats don't fight when introduced properly (Which is generally easy)

ALL rats need a same sex friend, they are extremely sociable, they will be depressed alone.

I currently have 3 very happy male rats living together.
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Old 08-08-2006, 12:24 PM
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From my experience, and with rats and mice that was in the shipments in the thousands, male mice and rats will fight to the death. Please never ever put two adult male mice together in a living situation like that.Maybe not at first but once they develop the need for territory, fights will break out. No amount of socialization will deter the instincts and harmones that drive them to be so darn successful at what they do. That goes for hamsters too. I have had seen many a gimpy and blinded hamster because during shipping and caging afterwards, it happend.
I still think it completely depends on the rats/mice/hamsters and how many there are. My first two hamsters loved each other, both males, the groomed each other and slepts all curled up in a ball. Then I got mice and kept maybe 3 or 4 females in one and maybe 3 or 4 of males in the other. Never once had a problem. Now I have rats. I still keep the males all together and the females together. They love the company, play together and eat together and sleep together. Never a problem. So again, I think it depends on the animals. You said you had shipments of males in the thousands, that is what I am talking about when it would be expected that they fight. But two or three males living together keeping each other company is usually fine.
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Old 08-08-2006, 01:42 PM
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male mice and rats will fight to the death.
Holy he11.. sorry you had such bad experiences!
Male rat can DEFINITELY be kept together when intro'd properly.. and SHOULD have at least one playmate.. I currently have 9 males living together in a gigantisaur cage and they all love each other and are very very happy little men
I've also known mice breeders who are able to keep male mice together..
I agree that it does depend on the individual mouse.. some males really will never allow another to live together.. and it would be completly drastic to just drop a strange male into a cage with another male.. you NEED to carry out proper intros.. it may not always work but it certainly does sometimes..
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Old 08-08-2006, 03:27 PM
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Well it should NOT depend with hamsters. In the wild, mice do live in colonies.

In the wild, syrian hamsters live ALONE. That means they prefer to be alone.

Dwarfs however can often be kept together.

Squidbert!!! 9 rats :P I'm soooo JEALOUS :P
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Old 08-08-2006, 04:34 PM
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Squidbert!!! 9 rats I'm soooo JEALOUS
Heehee.. that's just 9 boys
I have girlies as well, 5 of them
I LOVE them so much.. they get the best of everything
I bred one rattie litter a little over a year ago.. the local breeder and a close friend of mine decided to stop breeding so I hoped to pick up from her.. My rats came from her (not related, knew the lines etc ) and I had a litter of 14!!! They were the most beautiful babies! 7 of them went to carefully screened homes and 7 are still with me. Unfortunately I moved from that province shortly after that first litter was all grown and everyone really started to get interested in my litters.. Maybe if I can ever find the demand here I might try breeding again.. the only ratties anywhere in Newfoundland that I know of are pet store babies.. We'll see what the furture brings..
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Awww!
They are SO cute Squidbert!
Thanks for the photo's .

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Old 08-09-2006, 02:27 AM
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I have a male rat! he's fat too..:P I wanted to get him a friend, but my mom said no because they will fight how do you introduce properly?? also i had 3 young male rats once (brothers) and one was a evil little thing! he would bite people and even killed his brother! not only did he kill him, he ate him too that poor thing was nothing but a pelt when I came home and saw him! they were fine when I went to school, then I come home to that poor thing looking like a bear skin rug! We took the other one out right away! I don't know what happened, they had food and water and always got along!

my mom is getting a rat from a friend at work. she can't keep it cuz she's having a baby and her bf is freaking out cuz they have a rat.. but it's a female and I was wondering if I could put their cages next to each other? not RIGHT next to each other, but at least so they can see each other???
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Old 08-09-2006, 02:29 AM
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OMG!!!! -*dies from baby rat cuteness*-


hey squid, what do you have to do to breed rats???where you get them from? is there a rat akc?? lol
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OMG!!!! -*dies from baby rat cuteness*-


hey squid, what do you have to do to breed rats???where you get them from? is there a rat akc?? lol
Breeding rats is like breeding dogs The main thing is no breeding pet store rats, or any rat that you don't know the background of and such. It's actually pretty serious!

I want more ratties...I just have one male now, he'll be 2 years old in a couple weeks. But my mom will never let me get more, the reason she let me get Lucy is because she thought if I had another dog I wouldn't miss having rats.

And btw I had 2 males housed together with no real problems...they had their wrestling matches lol but nothing serious enough that they needed to be seperated.
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Old 08-09-2006, 06:30 AM
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I have a male rat! he's fat too..:P I wanted to get him a friend, but my mom said no because they will fight how do you introduce properly?? also i had 3 young male rats once (brothers) and one was a evil little thing! he would bite people and even killed his brother! not only did he kill him, he ate him too that poor thing was nothing but a pelt when I came home and saw him! they were fine when I went to school, then I come home to that poor thing looking like a bear skin rug! We took the other one out right away! I don't know what happened, they had food and water and always got along!

my mom is getting a rat from a friend at work. she can't keep it cuz she's having a baby and her bf is freaking out cuz they have a rat.. but it's a female and I was wondering if I could put their cages next to each other? not RIGHT next to each other, but at least so they can see each other???
Your mom is wrong, rats are *incredibly* socialable and aren't very happy alone.

Your male rat is an adult, so your best bet would be two get two male babies and introduce them.

All you do is introduce them together in the bathtub, once they are fine there, then get all smells off the cage they will be in, and put them in the cage together.

Often the resident rat will pin the new rat down, which can look scary as the rat being pinned will be squeaking like mad, but this is called power grooming and is an act of dominance, generally introducing rats should go off without a hitch, it is difficult at first to not jump in and seperate them at every squeek....But they WILL be doing alot of squeaking, and power groooming the first couple of days lol.

You can also put vanilla extract on all the rats (Including their bottoms) So they all smell the same.

Or, cover them all with cool whip. By the time their done licking it off each other they might already be bonded lol

Here's information on introducing rats:

http://www.petratscanada.com/ratcare.htm#social

Look under the title that says "Introductions" it has a few good links.

The female rat will also need a friend. Rats are NOT happy alone. Even if you think they are, you will see a huge difference in personality when they have a friend.

What you could do, is get your male rat neutered by a rat- savvy vet, then wait 4-5 weeks (I think thats the time after a neuter that they are still fertile, but ask your rat-savvy vet) and then introduce the neutered male and female.

There is the *VERY* rare rat that doesn't like other rats, as in every social animal, but almost every rat is so socialable that denying them a companion is like denying them water - It's a need that has to be met. (Unless in southpaw's case, where he/she has an older rat and they don't plan on getting anymore after him......Then it's best to spend as much time as possible with him until the end )

Also, the cage needs to be big enough for the number of rats in it.

Check this rat-cage calculator, it will say how many rats can comfortably fit in your cage:
http://www.rattycorner.com/odds/calc.shtml

Make sure you have the option set to "2 cubic feet"
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