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Old 07-31-2006, 11:53 PM
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I've made a similar observation with Quigley, Julie. Whenever I feed pork, I have to cut down the amount to about 2/3 of what I would feed of other meats or he gets diarrhea and gas.

Certain dogs are just sensitive to some foods and you have to figure out what works and what doesn't work. There are also a lot of dogs who don't tolerate chicken well, or poultry in general.

Each dog is different.
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Old 08-01-2006, 12:05 AM
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i'm only feeding hit and miss raw right now and mostly kibble, but i fed 100% raw for awhile. i got pretty much everything at the grocery store because i didn't have the freezer space to buy in bulk. i did ok. i got lucky several times and was able to get whole raw chickens for like $0.30/pound so stocked up like crazy. i was also able to get chicken hearts/gizzards for $0.10 so i used those pretty regularly to add extra meat to a boney meal.

liver was always always a fight until i started pureeing it with fish. then her royal highness would eat it.

i did feed veggies pretty regularly- i'd just buy a bunch, run them through the food processor until they were mush, add some apple cidar vinegar, puree some more, and fill small plastic containers with it and freeze.

i fed chicken, turkey, pork, beef, fish (canned, usually), duck (on sale), lamb (on sale).

my two pit bulls (45 pounds and high energy and 55 pounds and lower energy) both got about a pound a day, give or take. i was lucky- both of my dogs seem to have stomachs of steel. we had a few bone bits and bile pukes at the beginning, but they never got sick or especially gassy no matter what i fed them.
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Old 08-01-2006, 12:41 AM
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I think Tira and Gunner's stomachs are pretty steely when it comes to meats. I gave them each a frozen pork steak (with bone) earlier today and they LOVED it! Neither one stopped gnawing and pulling and chewing until the whole thing was gone. Usually they get bored and walk away, but this held their attention. No scarfing or swallowing big chunks since it was frozen. No runs (actually really firm stool for Gunner this evening - he's usually firm, but this was good, solid firm.)...no puking up bones or chunks of pork. The only thing they did was go completely and utterly bonkers after they finished eating. They went running around the living room, bouncing off the sofa, bouncing off of each other, wrestling, nipping....it was an all out energy filled play fest!!! Do all dogs act this way after eating frozen raw meat?
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Old 08-01-2006, 12:49 AM
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Actually, my dogs are pretty tired after their meals. They usually take a long snooze.

I'm glad they enjoyed their meal!
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Old 08-01-2006, 03:14 AM
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Weylyn - Apparently they REALLY enjoyed their meal. I don't think it was even a 1/2 lb. (don't know exactly how much it weighed though). I know it was about 1 1/2 hand long (from palm to finger tips) and about a palm and a half wide. Corny way to measure, but the only way to do so after the fact.
It was a little over a 1/2 inch thick. They each got one. Man, I've never seen them that exuberant after a meal.
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Old 08-01-2006, 08:52 AM
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I use pork as a staple, it's cheap and convenient. All of our dogs love it and I've never seen them have any bad reactions from it.

Labbreeder- yet yourself a cheap food scale. We got one for about 10 bucks at a dept store. Weigh out your portions for a while, and then you'll be able to eyeball amounts a lot easier. I still weigh out their muscle meat portions but I'm pretty good at eyeballing things like leg quarters. I have to watch how much MM Bruzer gets because if he gets too much or too little he gains or drops weight too fast.

Regarding the raw meat/blood=viciousness/aggressiveness, I guess that myth started because people figured that if a dog tasted blood it would want more of it. Since a lion or tiger or wolf eats raw meat and are vicious, I guess that means a dog will be aggressive too. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
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Old 08-01-2006, 01:03 PM
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Very interesting thread... I've been considering raw but I have two bigs issues...

First, that sounds stupid but I'm worried Tips will get food agressive over it. They love raw meat so much that the last time I gave them some, Tips picked up a fight with Boris when he just went close to his crate 10 minutes after he was done eating...

Second, what do you do when you have to kennel your dogs for vacation etc? Knowing Boris, no way he would go back to eating kibble if we started feeding raw.


My last issue I guess is finding places to buy the meat. I can't even find raw bones around here, grocery stores don't seem to have butchers and I've yet to find any meat cheaper than what we find on sale in grocery stores, and that's never under $1.5/lb... DanL, you need to tell me where you get that stuff
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Old 08-01-2006, 01:46 PM
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Sam's/Costco sells cases of about everything, thats where I get my leg quarters and whole broilers. I've held off getting a case of beef sirloin roast because its 80lbs and I don't have the storage for it. Things like cases of leg quarters, the chicken is already packaged, you get 6 packs of 7lbs each, so it's easy to deal with. Butchers will order you cases too but it comes in one big bag and you have to package it up yourself. Sam's also has these "cryo pack" meats like the sirloin or pork ribs/shoulders/boneless loins that are much cheaper. Think of raw bones not as bones, but things like chicken leg quarters/necks/backs, turkey legs/necks/wings, pork or beef ribs, etc. Not things like soup bones that have little meat on them.

As far as food aggressive goes- 2 of ours get a bit defensive amongst each other. Midnite will bare teeth at Gunnar if he gets too close. Bruzer growls (he's by far the worst one- he'll be so worried about the other dog that he'll actually leave his food to try and chase the other dog away, and then they walk right by him and eat it). Gunnar is the least food aggressive. He doesn't even pay attention to any of them. The other day he was working on a big pork shoulder and Midnite was trying to distract him to steal it. He just laid there and ate. She was sitting so close she was literally leaning against him and he didn't make a sound or display any body language towards her. What I do is give them about 10' between their bowls. I feed them out in the yard in the grass so they have plenty of room. I also supervise them to keep them from trying to steal food and make sure they are not having problems eating. Bruzer will often take his boney part of the meal and go to the other side of the yard, or try and sneak inside and go to his crate.

For boarding, I'd ask your facility. Maybe you can package up meals. This is what I did when my sister watched Midnite and Bruzer. I gave her each meal in a separate baggy with the dog's names on them, 1 bag for each meal with everything in it, all she had to do was dump it in a bowl.
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Old 08-01-2006, 05:02 PM
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Fran, you can also search places like Yahoo Groups for raw feeding co-ops in your area. Since they are non-profit and a group of people can buy in wholesale amounts, you can often get things really, really cheap. My local one offers many types of meats, rmb's etc. for under 50 cents a pound.
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Old 08-01-2006, 07:30 PM
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Here are some pics I took today, Fran you can see how I set them up to keep them apart.



Gunnar and Bruzer working on some pork ribs.

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