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Old 07-28-2006, 03:30 PM
Gempress Gempress is offline
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Default Fact and opinion *soapbox warning*

I just have to say something about this. It's been on my mind lately. Sorry for the insanely long post, but it's a bit complicated.

I've noticed that many of our debating threads seem to have a few common complaints regarding opinion. Most of the ones I've seen are: "I guess only certain people are allowed opinions"....."aren't people entitled to their own opinions and free speech?"...."I said it was an OPINION, stop taking it personally and bashing it"......"Why do people treat me like this over an opinion?"

There seem to be two common factors that lead to these complaints:
1. Not understanding the difference between fact and opinion
2. Not understanding the freedom of speech and the "sanctity" of opinions.

Let me start with Number 1. Here is the definion of an opinion: "A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof." Basically, an opinion is a viewpoint or idea that cannot be proven or disproven. For example, "Working dogs are much cuter than sporting dogs."

Now, here is the definition of fact: "Knowledge or information based on real occurrences." For example, "Dogs are related to wolves."

Now, here is where it gets confusing. Just saying something is an "opinion" does not make it an opinion. For example, you can't say "In my opinion, pit bulls have locking jaws." That is NOT an opinion, even though you called it an opinion. It is an untrue statement. Why? Because it can (and has been) disproved.

If you post that statement on Chaz, expect to get a lot of people telling you it's wrong. And don't get mad at the posters for "attacking my opinion". After all, what you said is not a matter of opinion. And people aren't trying to be mean or rude by telling you that you're wrong. Most people visit Chaz to find good advice and knowledge about their dogs. We try to be sure they get the most accurate information possible. If something obviously incorrect is posted, you can bet that other members will try to clarify.

*takes a deep breath*

Now for Number 2. Everyone is entitled to have their opinion. All the more power to you. But is a two-way street. If you post a hugely unpopular opinion "I think all dogs over 25 lbs should be banned in cities because it makes things safer," expect to get a lot of negative response. Yes, you have the right to speak your mind....but so does everybody else. Don't complain because people get upset at your opinion, or feel picked-on because nobody else agrees with you: that is our right as free-thinking beings.

Just food for thought.
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Old 07-28-2006, 03:34 PM
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In 100% agreement!!
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Old 07-28-2006, 03:34 PM
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"Working dogs are much cuter than sporting dogs."
That is so not true, I cant believe you would say such a thing


Good Post more people need to read it, I think it is worthy of being stickied
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Old 07-28-2006, 03:39 PM
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*thundering applause* excellent post Gem.

I'd just like the ad that Chazhound is a privately owned forum so the 'free speech' idea falls within the rules of Chaz. Just like they would in someone's home. If someone comes to my home and bashes family members or acts like an idiot I will ask them to leave. Common sense people.
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Old 07-28-2006, 03:41 PM
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Agreed 100%

Great post
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Old 07-28-2006, 03:49 PM
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Wonderful Gemp!! Bravo!

Me thinks this should be made into a sticky!
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Old 07-28-2006, 03:51 PM
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OMG, thank you for that post! Some people really need to understand those concepts.
*standing ovation*
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Old 07-28-2006, 03:54 PM
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100% Agreed!!!!!!!
nice post gemp
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Old 07-28-2006, 05:35 PM
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I totally agree!!
Great post!!!

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Old 07-28-2006, 05:42 PM
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Fantastic post Gempress - not just my opinion...that's a FACT!

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