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Old 07-27-2006, 05:49 PM
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your dog needs very little training or control PERIOD for weight pull - just needs to PULL.
Being in Nordic breeds, I've hung around Malamutes for quite some time (briefly considered going into the breed)- and witnessed several weight pull competitions at specialty shows or supported entries. At least in Mals, the above quote is *absolutely* true. I watched dogs who had never so much stepped into a harness before, successfully complete a wieght pull. You really can do absolutely anything in your power (besides crossing the line), to get your dog to pull to you. It was great fun to watch- any sense of decorum the owner may have had before, was GONE when it was their dog's turn.

Nevertheless, I saw several very green dogs do it pretty much on instinct- there was minimal calling and cheering. The dog just did it. Intact and altered dogs alike competed...and I honestly saw no difference in performance. There were dogs on both sides that failed.
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Old 07-27-2006, 06:09 PM
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Whatever guys, have it your persistant way.
I know better, and it is not worth listening to those of you who do not perform in a real working condition preach what you THINK is right. Not worth it.

If I feel like it i may search where the UKC states that in order to win a show or competition, the dog must be a perfect speciman of the breed, therefore unaltered.
If I feel like it, Ill post the link.
In the meantime, have fun in your disagreements with me.

But I will be willing to bet in a few months time my dogs will be pulling circles around your dogs, whom have setteled down and gained weight in their mid life s/n crisis.Lol.
How many dogs have you ever shown, Mach1? How many have you titled?

There are NO perfect dogs. Not one. Not anywhere. Not ever. Dogs are required to be intact to compete in conformation shows as it is a venue to evaluate future breeding stock. NO club (except maybe ADBA) requires any dog to be intact for working events.

I think it's very nice that you are finally out doing something with your dogs. However, your defensive attitude seems to really get in the way of your ever learning anything. Spay/neuter does not tend to lower the drive in most dogs. Many of us who have actual experience with this have stated this FACT to you.

Being involved in dogs in a MEANINGFUL AND RESPONSIBLE WAY means keeping an open mind and learning all the time.

I could show you a nearly 5YO bitch who has been spayed since she was 15 months old who is ANYTHING but a fat settled lacking in drive dog.

Your comments really do illustrate where you are at this time in your dog life, and where you are likely headed.

It would be much better for you if you were not quite so defensive. Slinging mud at those who have exponentially more experience than you do, and whose thoughts you should be paying attention to and learning from will be counterproductive for you in the long run, to say the least.

By the way, have you had the hips and elbows done on your girl yet? If I were doing heavy work like intensive weight pulling, I'd want to know what I was dealing with for the health and wellbeing of the dog.
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Old 07-27-2006, 06:13 PM
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Look at my recent experience. While being under for a C-section I almost lost my chi. I WILL NOT be getting her spayed. I will never risk that again. Any surgery is a risk. Everytime I've signed that little piece of paper before a spay or neuter I thought "oh that will never happen to me" well.....guess what? I signed that piece of apaper again before her surgery and it DID happen Thank god my Vet is good and brought her back I think its a personal choice. Do what your heart feels is best for YOU and YOUR DOG. Good luck
Chibree, I understand your concerns, however I would urge you to speak to your vet about Pyometra and it's concerns.

This is always a risk for an intact bitch, it would mean a mandatory emergency spay on a bitch with an extreme infection at the same time.

There are ways to anesthetise her using gas only that might be safer.

I would discuss this with your vet, and possibly ask for a consult/referral with a veterinarian who specialized in high risk cases re: anesthesia.
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Old 07-27-2006, 06:34 PM
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My beliefs are MY beliefs and what I do is MY choice. I don't care what anyone else thinks I should do - didn't ask. I was addressing the person asking advice and just letting them know my experience.

While your dog was under for the c-section, why the hell didn't you have her spayed right then so that she WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE PUT UNDER AGAIN??? And I agree it really is a shame that you will never put her under to be spayed because you are so afraid of her being put out. If she dies of Pyometra which they get from not being spayed, it will be a real shame... and guess what the only treatment is for it? To spay her!
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Old 07-27-2006, 06:35 PM
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And MACH you really have some issues. Maybe seek some anger management classes or something? No one brought up your cancer or your accidental litter EXCEPT FOR YOU! If you are just trying to get attention that is really too bad because no one is going to feel sorry for someone who disrupts a peaceful conversation.
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Old 07-27-2006, 06:39 PM
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While your dog was under for the c-section, why the hell didn't you have her spayed right then so that she WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE PUT UNDER AGAIN???
Because then she can't pump out more puppies to sell and "give to family" ?
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Old 07-27-2006, 06:51 PM
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Because then she can't pump out more puppies to sell and "give to family" ?
Well I mean, duh, was the vet dumb enough to not suggest this? Did you not think of it? I mean the incision is already going to be there from the c-section. You obviously are not going to breed her again unless you are not too bright if she had this much trouble delivering the litter on her own.

Well if she ever gets accidentally pregnant again, for the love of god spay her when they do the c-section.
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Old 07-27-2006, 06:59 PM
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mach 1- can you share with us what you have accomplished with your dogs besides allowing them to accidentally reproduce

maybe if your dogs had better breeding, this wouldnt be the case. all i know is, i have a neutered male here who has drive coming out of his EARS. enough drive that it impressed a trainer who competes on INTERNATIONAL levels and places in the top three with his dog, on his first meeting of my dog.


ba-bye, dear. let us know when the next accidental breeding happens, ok?


didn't realize an accidental BYBer who learned 'everything there is' on online forums is 'Teh Queen' of all in WP.

lord, dont tell me now youre falling into the typical BYB excuse of you have (insert any disease here) and thats why you bred... im sorry you have cancer, but it has no reason, and is no excuse, for anything.



What was that???No one mentioned anything about my litter but me???

Man, wrong again.

It's been fun here and I appreciate all the help from the good ol guys and gals when my litter came, but it is not worth having every post that I make picked apart and changed around towards me.

This forum needs more rules, I belong to many and this is the only one that allows such nonsense.

I say if you dont know the breed, shut up. But hey, that is me.

Again, thanks a bunch to those who understand and understood. And to those who keep on, I hope you rot in hell for what you have done!

To make fun of what happene, your judgment day will come. And that's all cool.

Glad your grammpa had you there for him, maybe you understand alittle.

But I will not have the stress of having what happened thrown at me like it has for 6 months now.

One day you might end up with cancer.....and think back.
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Old 07-27-2006, 07:05 PM
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Can I make one more suggestion? Close this topic. This is starting to get out of hand. We've gone from legitimate reasons to alter/not alter, to attacking people. Come one everyone, why cant we all just forget the mistakes of others and move on?
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Old 07-27-2006, 07:07 PM
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Mach1,

You're just a BYB who doesn't like hearing the truth. It looks like you've run out of half-arsed excuses. Oh well, if you weren't leaving, I'm sure you would have just been banned for your mouth in that last post.
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