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Old 08-01-2006, 12:58 PM
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There is no need for a person to pet any dog.


When I got him at 7 months I did socialize him, but that did not include people grouping him, not necessary.
Socializing means you expose the dog to different forms of stimulations (ie. people) not everyone who meets your dog is going to know how to properly handle a dog if you actually socialized him you would of come across these people.

He would have been exposed whether you chose to or not.

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LOL, it has nothing to do with nerves or training or socialization.
Actually your dogs response to a situation has EVERYTHING to do with nerves, training, and socialization. If you can not understand that you are asking for a dog that will eventually turn out to be a neurotic mess in more ways than one.

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It has to do with him. I RESPECT my dogs, which I cant say alot of people still do. I will NEVER force him to accept being hugged, and he does get corrected for displaying that behavior, but I will not try to change that.
Respecting your dog means doing whats best for it. It means doing everything in your power to ensure it portrays a positive and appropriate image of the breed. When people meet my GSD's I always use it as on opportunity to educate them about the breed.

I don't know what school of thought you come from but teaching a dog to be tolerant of new people has nothing to do with force.


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That is how people get bit, the owners or anyone does not respect the dog. They continue to do something that the dog does not like, and they get hurt.
Your right people do get bit because they are not aware how to properly handle a dog, and in the same token most bite cases were by dogs that were lacking training, socialization, or proper temperament.

The owner of the dog has a responsibility to step in and know when to say enough is enough, the owner also has a responsibility to do what they can to ensure the dog does not freak out over the slightest thing.

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No, you took thingd from two seperate post. The first one was referring to agressive behavior towards me, and I said he wouldnt dare, and he knows the consequence, for that behavior. And the other thread I was referring to corrections in training where I said my dogs get corrected for CHOOSING not to do something. Get your facts straight next time, .
Actually my facts are quite straight. I never said these things were said in the same post, I said they were in the same thread.

It was the thread entitled "At the end of my rope" or something of that nature. In one post in the thread you were saying how your dogs worked for you to avoid correction. In the same thread in following posts you said that your dog was a working dog and not a pet and you would not subject him to being handled in a crowded room.

If you would like me to bring up the exact quotes where you said all these things in the same thread, not post, thread I would be happy to do so or to save time anyone is welcome to search the forums themselves.


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Key word: NUETRAL. IF a person is nuetral they do not pet a dog. Find a different word, . Caza is fine with people, but again no one needs to touch him or any dog. I worked on NEUTRALIZING him to people, the environment and other elements.
There are plenty of neutral friendly people that will stop and pat a dog. Neutral just refers to someone you don't know that is not a threat. Joe Smoe is an avid dog lover, he passes you on the street and holds his hand towards your dog or gives him a quick pat on the head. Is it proper of him? Of course not the respectable thing to do is to ask if petting the animal is permitted but most people don't have any sense about the them.

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LOL, I'm a firm believer of every dog is an individual and you will rarely see me breed discriminate.
So trying to justify your dogs unecessary aggression because he is a working dog is not a form of breed discrimination? "Caza is a working dog, they are not pets, you don't handle them" is not a form of breed discrimination? FYI you are the first person I ever heard that ever implied because their dog is a working dog it is not safe to handle.

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He is approachable. You can stand two inches from him and he will not even look at you
But if you pat him he will sit there growling? Yeah real sound nerves.

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Why am I trying to explain myself to you in the first place.
Maybe because deep inside you have this sinking feeling that I am right and your dogs actions and behaviors point to a problem either in his temperament (nerves) or your ability to train and socialize.
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Old 08-01-2006, 01:06 PM
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When you say, "There is no reason for anyone to touch him" that really raises my eyebrow.


There is no need for a person to pet any dog.
ofcourse tht is true that there is no need for a person to pet any dog, but a dog should be comfortable being petted by a stranger for any reason, that is the point in socialisation.
For instance if he went to the vet or was being examined by a judge, the dog would need to be touched by the vet which is a stranger.
or for whatever reason he might need to go to boarding.
I believe a dog should be able to accept a stranger touching him and feel comfortable with it.
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Old 08-01-2006, 09:53 PM
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Serena, its been fun talking to you. But I'm done with this. You apparently know everything, .
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Old 08-01-2006, 10:16 PM
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It's amazing how a tread can go from conformation to this !!!!! Back to the OP.... I LOVED Rin-tin-tin !!!! To me it's a shame what the show ring has done to many breeds for a Blue Ribbon ! They sure ruined the Golden Retrievers .... and I don't think Cockers should look like mops .
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Old 08-02-2006, 10:15 AM
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It's amazing how a tread can go from conformation to this !!!!! Back to the OP.... I LOVED Rin-tin-tin !!!! To me it's a shame what the show ring has done to many breeds for a Blue Ribbon ! They sure ruined the Golden Retrievers .... and I don't think Cockers should look like mops .
If you read Coppingers book, they relate conformation as both physical conformation, and behavioral conformation its pretty interesting, and sadly most show dogs don't have the behavioral conformation that makes a breed a breed. and here's another interesting piece of info.

I don't have any pictures, but the original Rinty was usually not the one people saw on TV. Because we only had black and white pictures TV's back in the day, the original Rin Tin Tin was too dark and didn't make a good picture on the TV so they went with a dog that had more washed out colors and was "easier" to look at on TV.
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Old 08-02-2006, 11:15 AM
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LOL !!! I'm talking of the original dog .... way before TV !
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