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Old 07-10-2006, 09:50 PM
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I've seen so many people on here claim that the only valid reason for breeding dogs is if they're "show quality" or "champions" or "perfect specimens of the breed." But why is that ok?
Why wouldn't it be ok?? I am talking about the ones that do health checks, and temperment tests and stuff like that and are trying to better the breed..not the ones that are just out there breeding all willy nilly


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How is that any better than breeding pets?
You answered your own question with your next statement

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Yes, it guarantees they are sound and stuff like that
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but I don't see why people focus on that
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Why not focus on that, I know I would want a sound and stable dog IF I ever went to a breeder and researched my next dog...

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What great benifit does showing have for the world? I just can't see why some people are so stuffy about why "faultless" dogs are "better" to breed.
Like Summitt said, there is no such thing as a faultless dog

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People can be adopting a pure bred dog from a shelter instead of bringing more into the world, even if they are "breed champions."
I am not even going to comment on this last statement

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Old 07-10-2006, 10:13 PM
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Come on folks !! There's a big difference between planned breeding with all background checks , BYBs and Whoops ! I fault the breeders that are out for $$$ and not for the betterment of the breed or don't have a waiting list for future whelps.
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Old 07-10-2006, 11:19 PM
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Come on folks !! There's a big difference between planned breeding with all background checks , BYBs and Whoops ! I fault the breeders that are out for $$$ and not for the betterment of the breed or don't have a waiting list for future whelps.
That's how I feel about it too. But you have to remember, what one person might consider as doing things for the betterment of the breed may not be what someone else thinks.
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Old 07-10-2006, 11:52 PM
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I would just like to point out to momof2pups, Just because a dog/bitch is titled does not mean they are sound. Yes they are more likely to be but some very bad show ppl show do with such things as bad temperament.
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Old 07-11-2006, 12:01 AM
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That came out all wrong. Soundness=healthy=good for all dogs, whether or not they're going to be bred.
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Old 07-11-2006, 12:14 AM
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There really to me isn't a reason to just breed because they are champions. There should always be a good reason to bring more pups in to the world and not just because they are a ch., because they are beautiful, want to see puppies born, or make money BTW having litter(S) is very expensive if its not you are doing something wrong, etc..... Being a ch. is just a plus. I hope this makes sense.
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Old 07-11-2006, 01:16 AM
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I don't think it's okay just to breed a dog because it is titled or because it's a Champion.

Look at some examples of breeders I know:

Breeder #1:
Has 10 champions.
Titles on some of her dogs include: CD, CGN, TG-N, TN-N, CGC, RN, CL1-R, CL1-H, CL1-S, PCD, TT, AGX, SMADC, MADC, NGC, TG-N, WV-N, AGI, ADC,

If someone is focused on titles they may think she is a good breeder. This breeder bred two dogs that she knew both carried the gene for cleft palates. Four of the puppies were born with cleft palates. She let them starve to death. This breeder used to work where I am. She was fired because she was incredibly abusive to the dogs. In agility class she would pinch her dogs when she thought no one was looking. The only reason 8 of the 10 dogs she has got their CH is because she enters lots of her dogs in one show and pins them up against eachother so that if one of her dogs wins, which it usually did because she was the only one with the breed, it would get more points. Her dogs are ugly as hell. In one show, a judge actually said "none of these dogs deserve ribbons" and excused them all from the ring. In another show, the judge asked why there were 2 of the same breed in the group ring -- well, one was the right breed -- he mistook her dog for that breed too!

Breeder #2

All six of her dogs are CH, some both Am/Can CH.
Titles include: CD, CGC, HIC, BPD, VCX, ROMX, HT, PT, TT

Titles look awesome. All of her dogs are champions. 3 of her 6 dogs also have collie eye anomoly. Some of them are slightly micropthalmic (not enough for the judges to notice, but who knows what they produce). 4 of her dogs are MDR1 carriers. She was recently disqualified from a show for kicking one of her clients' dogs down a hill. I've heard horror stories (and experienced one myself with my own dog and this breeder) of dogs going to a show with her and then never being showable again. I've talked to one person who says they've seen her kick a dog in the ribs, and another person who says they saw her throw a client dog down and hit it repeatedly for barking.

I can name a dozen more cases like these.


Now, I also don't find it okay to breed just for pets.

Breeder #1:

Bred their goldens as "pets." Because the dogs were just pets, they didn't research the pedigree. Turns out the dogs were full-siblings. Every puppy in that litter was COMPLETELY INSANE. These were golden retrievers that would sooner rip your face off than look at you. I believe only one of the puppies wasn't put to sleep.

Breeder #2:

Bred their chi/pom mix and their chihuahua. They just wanted to make cute little pets. I know two of the dogs from this litter. One of them is getting surgery to fix his luxating pattellas. The other has some disease the vets can't even figure out.


In other words, I don't think that people should be breeding for show, and I don't think they should be breeding for pets. They should be breeding for the ALL-AROUND DOG. Breed for show, breed for pet, breed for health and temperment and working ability and soundness of body and mind. Love your dogs, take care of your dogs, call your breeding program a hobby but treat it like it's your life and your passion. People focus too much one one factor. "Well this breeder titles their dogs." "This breeder health certifies." "All of this breeder's dogs are champions." Look at the whole picture....
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Old 07-11-2006, 01:33 AM
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^Best I have heard about it overall.
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Excellent post, Jordan. I completely agree!
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I would just like to know if her pup went to the vet today and what the outcome was. Is she going to be ok ???
She stated on her Origanal thread about her dog might be pregnant, that she is going to see the vet on Wednsday
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