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Old 02-18-2008, 12:58 PM
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I believe it. Not the 2600psi part, but the "stronger than other dogs" part. They were bred to fight, so of course they need strong jaws. Maybe not 2600psi, but definitely stronger than, say, a Collie's bite, but whenever I see a Pitbull with a big jaw and strong jaw muscles, I can't help but think "dang, I wonder how hard that dog can bite!"
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Old 02-18-2008, 01:02 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7jhrxy0HKs

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Old 02-18-2008, 01:10 PM
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Old 02-18-2008, 01:11 PM
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That's one pitbull which looks considerably smaller than most I've seen (and it's sort of refreshing to see one that isn't completely exaggerated) but I can't comprehend a dog that was bred to have a strong bite and fight bulls have a weaker bite than other dogs.
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That's one pitbull which looks considerably smaller than most I've seen (and it's sort of refreshing to see one that isn't completely exaggerated) but I can't comprehend a dog that was bred to have a strong bite and fight bulls have a weaker bite than other dogs.
That pit bull is exactly the size of what a pit bull should be. Pit Bulls were not bred to have Strong Jaws....but rather have endurance and game. They one fights because they could out last and refusal to quit.

Every test of dog bite strength continues to find the same result. The Bigger the dog the strong the bite. Also the variation between dogs of the same size is not significant.

It is hard to give up the years of Mythical BS that we have been fed on the Pit Bull but it is just a legend (PSI bite stuff). The Pit Bull is just a dog not a Mammalian Croc.
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Old 02-18-2008, 01:39 PM
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That pit bull is exactly the size of what a pit bull should be. Pit Bulls were not bred to have Strong Jaws....but rather have endurance and game. They one fights because they could out last and refusal to quit.

Every test of dog bite strength continues to find the same result. The Bigger the dog the strong the bite. Also the variation between dogs of the same size is not significant.

It is hard to give up the years of Mythical BS that we have been fed on the Pit Bull but it is just a legend (PSI bite stuff). The Pit Bull is just a dog not a Mammalian Croc.
Exactly, should be, just like they should be athleticly built with deep chests and a slight tuck up. The pitbulls I've seen are usually larger than the one in the video, I haven't seen any in a while since I moved. I guess out in the country, people are content with beagles and Labradors and don't feel the need to walk around with a macho Pitbull LOL (plus you won't impress anyone around here...we're just cozy country dwellers ) I still believe that Pitbulls have stronger bites than most dogs, but they were comparing a pit to just two other breeds. What about Boxers and Labradors and Staffies and Greyhounds? What about Weimaraners and Mastiffs and uh, Chihuahuas?
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Old 02-18-2008, 01:45 PM
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Exactly, should be, just like they should be athleticly built with deep chests and a slight tuck up. The pitbulls I've seen are usually larger than the one in the video, I haven't seen any in a while since I moved. I guess out in the country, people are content with beagles and Labradors and don't feel the need to walk around with a macho Pitbull LOL (plus you won't impress anyone around here...we're just cozy country dwellers ) I still believe that Pitbulls have stronger bites than most dogs, but they were comparing a pit to just two other breeds. What about Boxers and Labradors and Staffies and Greyhounds? What about Weimaraners and Mastiffs and uh, Chihuahuas?
A 50lb Dog of any breed that is the same age and condition will have roughly the same PSI bite with in 5%. That is what every study I have ever seen has said. The only real difference is when you train dogs in bite work, dogs can learn to bite their hardest when asked to. I guess it would be like boxers learning to get the most out of their punch.
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Lilavati, I would just like to add, that, for the record, crocodiles and alligators are not dogs. Really, I'm just kidding. The hyena comment put me in tears of laughter and I couldn't resist.
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A Pit Bull didn't need a crushing bite to do well in the pit (fighting arena). That's a generalization made by people who really don't know about the "sport." They needed heart, and the desire to keep going no matter what. Your average match didn't involve dogs biting right through each other, so the idea that they needed a stronger bite to compete really isn't true.

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Exactly, should be, just like they should be athleticly built with deep chests and a slight tuck up. The pitbulls I've seen are usually larger than the one in the video, I haven't seen any in a while since I moved. I guess out in the country, people are content with beagles and Labradors and don't feel the need to walk around with a macho Pitbull LOL
Where do you get your information? Slight tuck? That's wrong as well. They're supposed to be lean athletes, which means having a fair amount of tuck and less belly fat. If the "Pitbulls" you've seen are larger with bigger heads, those are not from fighting stock, or even bred to any standard I could name, but are likely the living bling that has been bred by amateurs which they're calling American Bullies nowadays. This is a standard-bred APBT:



44 pounds, 19 inches tall. Deep chested, yes. Regular tuck-up. No massive head-piece or swaggering 'tude.

As for impressing people, I moved to the country with my 3 APBTs to get away from people constantly trying to impress themselves upon me. All we want to do is live in peace. Don't lump all owners of one breed in together. Generalizations can be made about people who own Beagles and Labs as well.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9...ubmed_RVDocSum

Measurement of bite force in dogs: a pilot study.

Lindner DL, Marretta SM, Pijanowski GJ, Johnson AL, Smith CW.

Department of Veterinary Clinical Medicine, University of Illinois, Urbana 61801, USA.

A force transducer was developed to measure bite force in dogs. A total of 101 readings was obtained from 22 pet dogs ranging in size from 7 to 55 kg. Bite forces ranged from 13 to 1394 Newtons with a mean for all dogs of 256 Newtons and a median of 163 Newtons. Most measurements fell within the low end of the range, with 55% of the biting episodes less than 200 Newtons and 77% less than 400 Newtons.

PMID: 9693626 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

http://dogbitesinformationandstatist...ite-force.html

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1 newton = 0.224808943 pounds force, so 1394 newtons would be 313.38 pounds force, according to OnlineConversion.com. The dogs in the study ranged in weight from 15.4 lb to 121 lb.
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When Brady Barr measured the bite force of various animals for a National Geographic program, a hyena again was measured at 1000 pounds of force. A lion's bite force measured 691, a shark 669, and a Rottweiler 328 pounds of force. A German shepherd came in at 238, and a pit bull's bite was measured at 235 pounds of force. As far as I can tell, there are no studies of any kind, peer-reviewed or not, showing canine bite force to measure more than the 328 psi pounds of force recorded by Brady Barr. If you know of any, please share.
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