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Old 06-30-2006, 11:16 AM
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Painter--that is not true. Canned food has more moisture in it than a dog could possiblly drink to do the same when they eat dry food.
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Old 06-30-2006, 01:47 PM
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Old 06-30-2006, 02:00 PM
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That is not true. Is your dog's water bowl an empty can of pet food? What I am saying is that typical can of pet food is 22% solids, 78% moisture. A ratio of 3.5 parts moisture to 1 part solid. That may mitigate a dog's need to drink further water, but doubtful.

Dry food is typically 91% solids, 9% moisture (0.1:1). A dog will them correct for the Moisture:Solids by increasing water intake to achieve the 3.5:1 or higher ratio. It is simple.

A paralell is how humans require 1 ml per every kcal consumed. Most humans do a fine job answer the body's thirst needs. Expect for old people who look shriveled like prunes!
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Old 06-30-2006, 02:39 PM
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In theory, that is true. However, many dogs do not drink enough make up for the amount of dehyrated solids they consume (thus why some who are genetically prone to urinary crystals form them in the absence of consuming enough water--just for an example). This is also why adding water to dry kibble is good. Studies performed by NCSU agriculture and life sciences program have shown that dogs suffering from colitis and kidney issues found relief when extra water was added to their dry kibble....they simply did not drink enough to support the amount of dry matter they consumed.
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Dogs are very good at making sure they take in adequate water.
Actually that's not quite true. Many dogs do not compensate enough by drinking extra water. I don't think the pet food industry has ever sponsored any studies though, or is ever going to. It's not in their best interest, since the profit margin from kibble is greater than that of canned products.

Other factors that speak for canned food in favor of dry food (just to name a few):
- canned foods generally contain more meat protein that is less processed than that in dry food,
- they do not need any stabilizers and preservatives because the canning process sterilizes the food,
- the food is naturally flavorful, so less "trickery" with flavoring agents is needed to get dogs to eat it.

Yes, it's not as economical as feeding kibble, but IMO the nutritional benefits are well worth it.
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Old 06-30-2006, 04:08 PM
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So, I should admit that I do use Nature's Variety canned too, but mostly for its flavor.

There is many opinions about this, but I think everyone is partially correct. There are many dogs that do compensate just fine, and some that don't, and a smaller group of dogs that just have issues.

I personally like adding canned for flavor, but also realize that the extra water cannot hurt.

Everyone seems to be involved in their own focus groups of one!
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Canned food, I feel, is definitely better than all-kibble. Neither foods will clean your dogs teeth for you - only raw meaty bones, teeth brushing, and/or lots of pet store dental bones will do that.

I really feel that canned food is ridiculously expensive! Feeding mostly a high quality canned food is more than 2x more expensive than feeding a very balanced raw diet with lots of various meats & cuts, for me.
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http://www.vohc.org/

This is an interesting site regarding oral health care for pets.
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http://www.vohc.org/

This is an interesting site regarding oral health care for pets.
All of the foods/treats that have received the "seal" are horrible!
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Anyone who is interested in learning more about dental health in dogs should read Dr. Lonsdale's book "Raw Meaty Bones".

It's not so much a how-to book for raw feeding, but Dr. Lonesdale wrote about his research on oral health in dogs and cites some interesting facts about the effect of commercial foods and the problems it causes.

Especially the chapter where he discusses how publication of his findings have continually been suppressed by veterinary organizations due tot he link of them to the commercial feed industry. It's very sad.
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