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Old 06-28-2006, 12:23 PM
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Ok, so you didn't hear about the bites. Well, elegy found them and knew about them soooo obviously they were available. 5 were newspaper articles and the rest were on t.v. stations. If any of them happened near you (and you read the paper) you would have seen them or heard about them. Just because you didn't know about them doesn't mean other people didn't.
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Old 06-28-2006, 12:37 PM
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i guess somebody missed my point entirely
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Old 06-28-2006, 12:45 PM
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labbreeder, do you remember the dog attack that sparked the sb-861 in california? i'm guessing probably not, being as you're not affected by any kind of breed-specific legislation (and yes, the law was talked down to be just mandatory spay/neuter of breeds decreed "dangerous" but it is STILL bsl).

a boy was left locked in the basement, blocked in by his mother by a shovel wedged under the door. the two intact (oversized) pit bulls had a history of aggression, and the female was in heat. the kid busted his way out of the basement and was mauled and killed by the dogs. clearly the picture of unpredictable, right? clearly the picture of a fantastic owner. a mother who locks her kid in the basement using a SHOVEL for pity's sake.

and yet, it sparked a huge outcry against pit bulls even though california had very good non-breed specific dangerous dog lesgislation in place, laws which were often held up as an example of what to do.

i posted two articles of non-pit bull breed dogs killing people. where's the outcry? where's the banning? where's the laws to outlaw great pyrenese dogs or malamutes? it's not there.

and it shouldn't be.

why's it different with pit bulls?

i have read several times of people running into problems with huskies and malamutes being rejected by homeowner's insurance policies and their owners are (rightfully) outraged. they have no idea that there have been at least 55 fatalities attributed to the two breeds and mixes. does that mean sibes and malamutes are dangerous? do you look at a husky and think "omg vicious dog?!" no. but they still kill people.

you want more? a whole listing of recent dog bites
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Old 06-28-2006, 12:51 PM
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Dian Whiplpe:

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/Whipple.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...aulgallery.DTL
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As I've said before, bad owners = bad dogs. The mother should have been put in jail for murder, intent to kill or endager her child, etc. If she hadn't locked the boy in there then there wouldn't be a problem now.

No, I don't live in California so I didn't know about you're pit ban in progress. I also didn't know about why it's in progress. That's not the point though. It's your state. If you are so worried about your breed being banned then do something about it.

I'd still like to know why you are trying to bring down other breeds. If you don't like your breed having the possibility of being banned why in the hell would you want other people and their breeds to go through the same thing. Do you want every breed that's ever bitten someone to be banned? If so, there won't be many left to choose from when you're done.

I understand that your P.O'd about pit banning but you don't have to bring down every other breed with you. Do something about your problem if you don't want it to happen. You argue on here enough, why not take it to the streets and courts as well.
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a boy was left locked in the basement, blocked in by his mother by a shovel wedged under the door. the two intact (oversized) pit bulls had a history of aggression, and the female was in heat. the kid busted his way out of the basement and was mauled and killed by the dogs. clearly the picture of unpredictable, right? clearly the picture of a fantastic owner. a mother who locks her kid in the basement using a SHOVEL for pity's sake.[/url]
I'd bet the farm that: even with this horrible mother, horrible dog owner, that if these 2 dogs were a poodle it wouldn't have happened.

That's the difference... that's why they are implementing BSL.
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Old 06-28-2006, 01:38 PM
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I'd bet the farm that: even with this horrible mother, horrible dog owner, that if these 2 dogs were a poodle it wouldn't have happened
It has NOTHING to do with breed.

If I treated Emma like that and also had two intact male beagle and treated them like sh!t too they would act the same way
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I'd bet the farm that: even with this horrible mother, horrible dog owner, that if these 2 dogs were a poodle it wouldn't have happened.

That's the difference... that's why they are implementing BSL.
so if you had two oversized intact poodles with a history of aggression left alone with a child that just broke out of the basement and a bitch in heat, you're trying to say that nothing could happen cause they were poodles???

Hate to break it to you but a 6 month old was killed by a laphsa that weighed only 6 pounds while his uncle went into the living room to get something and left him alone on the bed when the dog killed the infant.
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I'm not saying it's not possible... I'm saying the odds of a fatality are decreased DRAMATICALY!

The entire BSL thing sucks..., trust me, I know and understand.... But what can the GOVT do? They can't make owners responsible? They can't enfore responsibility in each homeowners prive house-hold.... so they are left with the BSL.

I understand the owners play a HUGE roll in why fatalities occur in dog bites.... and it's not breed specific... but IMO the breed does play a small role in it for the obvious reasons. The bully breeds were accountable for 73% of dog bite fatalities as of this year. You can't blame the GOVT for these staggering statistics.

When I walk my "toy" dogs around the neighboor hood and see a bully or large breed dog coming our way.... do I move across the street? Of course I do..... do I do it because of the dog? Nope.... do I do it because of the person holding the leash? HELL YEAH! It's the owners fault... that's the bottom line.
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so if you had two oversized intact poodles with a history of aggression left alone with a child that just broke out of the basement and a bitch in heat, you're trying to say that nothing could happen cause they were poodles???
If somehow we were able to re-create the moment and replaced the dogs with poodles...... would you put your money on it happening again? You wouldn't.
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