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Old 06-27-2006, 09:55 PM
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ironically, someone JUST sent me this.
how do you corgi and BC owners feel?



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Old 06-27-2006, 09:56 PM
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I think Doberkim and Jess have made great points.

I would hope that other dog owners realize that it's not the breed. I hope that other dog owners would help in the fight. But as I said, it doesn't seem to be that way. People figure that it's not their breed so they don't have to worry about it.

As, Kim said, your breed could very well be next. Not to pick on labs in particular, but there have been 4 lab related attacks, (2 on people 2 on dogs) in my city in the past 3 months. I believe there is some type of "list" out there stating the breeds that are next in line for BSL. If we allow this "pittbull ban" to go through without a fight, it will most definitely not stop here.

As I've mentioned on so many other threads, if you want a dog YOU yes the PERSON should have to be certified and have to take some sort of dog behavioural course to get a dog. THAT will solve our problem. NOT banning "aggressive breeds".
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Old 06-27-2006, 10:15 PM
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"because they weren't managed properly, controlled properly, contained properly. it had NOTHING TO DO WITH BREED. that's the point. the whole freaking point. " -elegy

That's what I'm trying to say. It's the owners that are making specific breeds look bad. Not the breeds themselves. I understand that pits are getting a very bad rap; but it's the owners and bad breeders that are causing it, not the dog. The dog is the outlet, unfortunately. I only know of a few people on here that are "against pits" and I'm not one of them. I like all breeds, big and small. I will give any dog a chance, but the second it is agressive towards me or my dogs I will do everything in my power to remove the dog from the situation it's in and the owners it's with. The dogs, and breeds, should not have to suffer due to irresponsible owners and breeders.
YES, there are irresponsible breeders and have to see that. That is the problem with why pits (and other so-called agressive breeds) are being persecuted. If more people took responsibility for their animals and trained them right and gave the socialization that was needed these dogs would not be biting people for no reason (or no good reason). Some of the bitten people bring it on themselves as well, regardless of training. A dog can only take so much poking, pulling, proding and meanness from another person/dog before it will strike back and defend itself. In those cases the dog should not be punished and the bitten person/dog has already been punished (by being bitten for their actions). (ex. - kid walked into a yard and started riding a chained up dog...or kid puts their face in a dogs face while it's eating in it's own fenced in yard and the kid came in uninvited)

I agree pits shouldn't be persecuted, but the bad owners/breeders should be. On the other hand, no breed should be persecuted because of a bite. If the dog is unable to be rehabilitated (or whatever they do after he keeps biting) then he may need to be pts. But don't condemn a whole breed.
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Old 06-27-2006, 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by LabBreeder
That's what I'm trying to say. It's the owners that are making specific breeds look bad. Not the breeds themselves. I understand that pits are getting a very bad rap; but it's the owners and bad breeders that are causing it, not the dog.
If that was what you were trying to say, why would you even type this

Originally Posted by LabBreeder
Ok, what's the point of this? We all know that dogs of any breed (or mix) can bite. Are you so ticked off that you feel the need to bring in other breeds that haven't been as exposed as pits have?
Wouldnt you be ticked off, if everytime someone saw you and your labs walking down the street and someone said, "Those are vicious, keep them away"

How would you feel?? I know I would be angry, hurt and angry and hurting for my dogs that *I* know have done nothing but look a certain way...
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Old 06-27-2006, 10:32 PM
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Good post and excellent point
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Old 06-27-2006, 10:33 PM
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I don't own a pitbull but my really good friend owns three. They are the sweetest dogs I've ever met. One day she was dog sitting my Boston and my dog attach her pitbull that she even slipped a disc in her back and the pitbull did nothing to her. Just look at her like she was crazy.
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Old 06-27-2006, 10:34 PM
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why is it that irresponsible owners are making x breed look bad? why is that the chosen common denominator? why not irresponsible owners make irresponsible ownership look bad? or makes unleashed, free-roaming dogs look bad? or chained dogs look bad? or untrained dogs look bad? because those are often much more common denominators than breed.

the problem with pits is that there often IS no problem with pits. there's a big problem with ownership. absolutely. but it is not a breed-specific problem. all of those articles i posted- ALL of those dogs bit and not a single one was a pit bull. so why is it a pit bull problem? yes, lots of crappy people are attracted to pit bulls. and then we plaster them all over the media some more as the poster child of the evil nasty mean dog and even more people seeking evil nasty mean dogs go out and acquire them.

after the incident in california where diane whipple was attacked and killed by presa canario there was an unprecendented demand for the obscure breed by people wanting dogs like that one who killed the lady in california.
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Old 06-27-2006, 10:34 PM
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Because, Jess, there was no definitive statement or question in the first post. There were only a bunch of sites about other breeds biting. Until the OP and others started posting, it was a smart alec post that was just showing that other dogs bite too. Well no DUH! Everyone knows that all dogs can bite...every animal can. The point of the post you quoted was to find out what the deal was and why the OP felt the need to drag in other breeds that HAVEN'T been ostrasized as pits have. Why would you want to have other breeds that have bitten go through the same thing pits are going through? I thought the point was to keep breeds, especially pits, from being labeled and banned.
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Old 06-27-2006, 10:44 PM
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Why would you want to have other breeds that have bitten go through the same thing pits are going through?
Because if the media is going to report dog bites they should report about ALL dog bites. Maybe if the public actually got the WHOLE picture on dog bites they wouldn't be so prejudice about a certain breed. Maybe then people would realize "hmmmmmm, what do all these attacks have in common? Irresponsible owners?" Why do pits have to end up the martyrs?
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Old 06-27-2006, 10:56 PM
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Apparently the bites, or at least some of them, are being reported otherwise they wouldn't be on news sites. Granted you don't see near as many other breeds as you do pits because of the bad rap pits have gotten.
If bringing out all the bite articles would help to not ban a breed, then I'm all for it.
If it will only make the rest of the breeds (or any dog breed or mix) that have bitten also be banned then what will we do?
Will everyone have to give up their best fur friend even if he/she has never bitten someone? Should a petition be started to make it mandatory for all potential, and current, owners go through a course in 'how to train your dog'? If so, where does it get sent once it's signed?

No particular breed should have to be martyred in order to stop the sensationalism of a dog bite. What if this had started with poodles...what if poodles had been labeled "agressive"? Would you all still be as upset even though it's not your dogs breed? If so, why not have everyone get together and try to help stop breed banning??
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