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Old 06-27-2006, 07:19 PM
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Ok, what's the point of this? We all know that dogs of any breed (or mix) can bite. Are you so ticked off that you feel the need to bring in other breeds that haven't been as exposed as pits have? No, pits are the only one's that bite, but they are the one's that get exposure because of what they were originally bred for and how some current breeders and owners treat/raise them. How many people buy a poodle, golden or lab and train it to be a vicious guard dog? Not to many I'm willing to bet. But people do buy pits, german shepherds and dobermans to do this and then don't train them correctly and the dogs end up attacking someone/something.

Like you said, dogs bite. I would like to know why you want to make other breeds out to be "bad" because of "bad owners/breeders". Pit bulls have had a bad rap, but why would you want another breed to go through the same thing. You didn't like it; it's unfair; places are banning pits, etc. Why would you want another breed, or multiple breeds, to go through the same thing?
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Old 06-27-2006, 07:24 PM
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WOW! You mean to tell me other breeds attack other than Pit's? I didn't know that.
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Old 06-27-2006, 07:34 PM
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Yes were well aware of the fact that our dogs can and do bite but I have yet to see a yard raided where they find 20 poodles on chains with tread mills and the like. It isn't the dog it is what people get them for. There are so many responsible Pitbull owners out there who truly got the dog for the love of the breed and have no agression problems because they wouldn't dream of allowing their beloved pet to fight and be hurt. When asking a question about why do they get that rap then ask yourself who owns them and why ? Very seldom do you hear stories of the dedicated owner because unfortunantly there are not enough to go around. I have met many here and love to see it because I to think pit bulls are beautiful animals and I know they can be the sweetest dogs. I know that they are big slobber you to death babies if they are treated right.
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Old 06-27-2006, 08:21 PM
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because i'm tired and i'm frustrated and i'm sick to death of threads like "no wonder pit bulls look bad" and on and on and on. i'm sick of the comments like "90% of pit bull owners are irresponsible". i'm sick to death of bsl. i'm sick of people hating my dogs. i'm sick of how freaking STUPID people can be. i'm sick of the comments about how we only hear about pit bull attacks.

that's why.

because i love my dogs so much it makes me cry sometimes and i want them to have the same chances in life that all the other non-discriminated against breeds have. i want people to understand that it's not just my dogs with their big heads.

because i don't want to have to be afraid that somebody's going to pass a law that's going to get my dogs banned or killed. because i want to be able to take my happy wagging dogs out in public without people giving me dirty looks and crossing the street.

because i can't understand how in a forum dedicated to people who love dogs, there can be people saying the things they do about pit bulls.

because i love this breed more than anything else on earth. because they are the most special and important beings in my life right now.

that's why.
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Old 06-27-2006, 08:27 PM
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Ok, what's the point of this? We all know that dogs of any breed (or mix) can bite. Are you so ticked off that you feel the need to bring in other breeds that haven't been as exposed as pits have? No, pits are the only one's that bite, but they are the one's that get exposure because of what they were originally bred for and how some current breeders and owners treat/raise them. How many people buy a poodle, golden or lab and train it to be a vicious guard dog? Not to many I'm willing to bet. But people do buy pits, german shepherds and dobermans to do this and then don't train them correctly and the dogs end up attacking someone/something.
do you honestly think those people in those articles bought their labs or their golden retrievers or their spaniels to be vicious guard dogs? and yet, their dogs bit people. because they're DOGS. because they weren't managed properly, controlled properly, contained properly. it had NOTHING TO DO WITH BREED. that's the point. the whole freaking point.

it's not about breed. it's not about getting any other breed in trouble.

they don't get the exposure because of their background. they get the exposure because that's the cool thing to do in the media. they're media darlings right now. it used to be german shepherds. then it was dobes. what'll it be when all the pit bulls are dead?

the media cannot be counted on to present an accurate picture. you should know that. if it bleeds, it leads. it's about attracting viewers and readers and money. not about accuracy or spreading correct information.

pit bulls were CULLED for being human aggressive for crying out loud. if they bit their handler in the pit they were KILLED. how does that translate into today's attack dog? how does that translate into guard dog? that's how much this breed has been warped. if it can happen to the pit bull, it can happen to any other powerful breed.

most dog attacks are not the result of people training their dogs to be vicious. most pit bull attacks have nothing to do with druggies or gang bangers or thug wanna be dogfighters. they have to do with careless human beings who don't train or socialize their dogs PERIOD.

a dog who has been through obedience classes is something like 90% less likely to bite than a dog who hasn't been. THAT'S the point.

we get so hung up on breed. on which breeds are good, which are bad, which are going to bite. we forget the breed is secondary to the hands of the owner in which the dog has been placed.
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Old 06-27-2006, 08:36 PM
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OMG! This is eye opening...

You know what I thought was funny about most of those links... Not one of the headlines had the dog breed in it! If there is ever an attack with a pitt involved "KILLER PITTBULL" is somewhere in the headline.

Isn't that funny..

I'm glad you posted this elegy. As a pitt owner I've given up personally. No matter how many people meet my little guy and love him, no matter how many people in school see how well behaved he is and no matter how many people try to fight BSL, it doesn't seem to matter.

I totally agree with you. But not to be a downer, but I don't think it really matters. Even dog people on this forum have taken this the wrong way... let alone people who aren't dog lovers.

I'm with you elegy but I don't think it really does any good, and I'm sorry to say it.
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Old 06-27-2006, 08:46 PM
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thank you for posting this. as an owner of dobermans - the point of this is that its not a breed that is bad. its irresponsible owners.

the fact that all these other breeds have bitten and harmed people - you never see them all over the news. you never see them plastered in the papers with headlines or catchy things like "KILLER DOG" or "MAULING". in fact, when a siberian husky killed a child in MA this past year or so - it barely made the news at all. when a woman broke up a dog fight that involved one pitbull, it made every single news station that night.

the point is - if you own dogs, and you love dogs, you should understand that pointing the finger at one breed is never going to work.

you guys are angry because other breeds were mentioned - think of how it feels when you live that EVERY SINGLE DAY. you are angry because you know the dogs that you have in your house, be it a lab or a golden or whatever - is a wonderful dog and you do your best to make them upright doggie citizens - how do you think it feels when the dogs in your house are dobes or pits or rotties? that NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO with those dogs, people will still label them and you are still subject to ridiculous laws not because yours are BAD, but because someone ELSE was irresponsible.

what it comes down to is this:
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I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
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When they came for the trade unionists,
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When they came for the Jews,
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When they came for me,
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Old 06-27-2006, 08:48 PM
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Like you said, dogs bite. I would like to know why you want to make other breeds out to be "bad" because of "bad owners/breeders". Pit bulls have had a bad rap, but why would you want another breed to go through the same thing. You didn't like it; it's unfair; places are banning pits, etc. Why would you want another breed, or multiple breeds, to go through the same thing?

First of all I would like to say that I have a huge amount of respect for the responsible owners of pit bulls that do right by them, and try every day to make a difference in someones view of these wonderful animals

I cant speak for elegy, but I dont think that was the point she/he (sorry) was trying to make...

Its not fair for any breed to be banned, but you know what it happened and its happening..

I dont know how it is to be a pit bull owner, and right now I wouldnt want to be one..

Its soo unfair for people to judge animals on the way their heads are shaped or they way their face looks..

But if we as people cant even stop and look around us and not judge people then why not judge dogs

No, its not fair that they have to go through this, but they do, the only thing I can do is be there for the people that "I" know that have to go through this..and try to make a difference in the people that "I" meet...when it comes to this issue...

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Old 06-27-2006, 08:51 PM
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As an Austrailian cattle dog owner I can tell you that they ought to be put on the agressive list as well as catahoulas because that is what they are bred for not just herding but defending and mine do. Therefore I say again it is bad owners and bad press because the pit next door loves to play with our dogs and there is no agression or the need to kill....... well maybe your frisbee is in danger he is by all means a big " Lick-a lotamous "
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