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Old 03-05-2005, 04:28 AM
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Hello, everyone!

I am new to the forum. On Wednesday, I acquired a new three year old red "Siberian husky." I have serious doubts as to the pureness of this dog despite the AKC papers he has stating that he is a red Siberian. He has the blue eyes and the curled up tail, but other than that I am more inclined to think he is arctic/alaskan wolf in there somewhere. Just FYI, Siberian Huskies are not considered part wolf. They are a pure breed all their own.

This dog is much larger at the withers than what the AKC standard specifies. Rather than 23 1/2 inches max, (roughly two feet) he is more like 2 1/2-3 feet tall. His hair is very coarse but short. The legs are, without a doubt, wolflike. He has no hair fringe on his face to speak of. I am going to try to post pictures of him at the end of this message.

My main concern is the dog's propencity to growl when he sleeps on our bed. It seems he has chosen to dominate the bed and though he curled up next to me with his back in my stomach, he would not tolerate my touching him without a deep, throaty growl and a warning bark. I have a Samoyed and they pretty much split the dominant acts equally. They just exist around on another now except for when one gets too close to the other's foodbowl. FYI, the Siberian has 22 teeth on the bottom row juxtaposet to the 16-20 of "dogs."

The obvious answer to the growling problem, since it only seems to ocur in bed, is to keep him off of the bed. I am concerned with the possibility that he can turn on a dime and bite without warning or with little time between the warning bark and the strike. There are many characteristics he has that are pure Siberian (sleeping like his spine's a slinky) and purely wolf (the way he carries his tail when agitated).

Can anyone tell from my pictures at http://www.angelfire.com/wi3/fluffnu...mutessiberians
whether or not this is possibly a wolf hybrid? The people we got him from gave him up because he was nipping at their newborn like an adult dog does when correcting a puppy. I've only had him a few days and am focusing on assertion (as in pack mentality) to emerge as the alpha.

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Old 03-05-2005, 06:53 AM
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have u got any more pictures of him standing up so we can see all of the body.
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Old 03-05-2005, 07:36 AM
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Default Re: Siberian or Hybrid? Body Shots Posted on Website

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The dog is not at all "high-strung." I am careful about stereotyping any breed, but there is no hyperactivity in this dog. Keep in mind, he is three years old...he should still have puppy-like energy going on. The dog is silent, watchful, and very calculating. This morning I was playing with my Samoyed (tug-of-rope) and Murphy bolted across the room, hair raised, in attack. I was fortunate to get them apart. The samoyed went into his cage and when the Pom came over to see what the matter was he attacked him. The entire personality of my Samoyed is changing. The PH is off. I truly believe this dog, hybrid or not, is NOT the dog for me or my "litter." I have contacted the people from where he came and am in the process of making arrangments for a better home. I still need opinions in case the original owner takes him back. She has the children in her home. I believe what I saw with the Samoyed is what they saw with their children.
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Old 03-05-2005, 11:16 AM
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Inverness, all I get when I follow your link is a page of code. Can you post his photo in the members' galleries?

It might be a good option to contact the breeders the original owners got him from. Whatever he is, he sounds like a dog who definitely needs a very strong owner and to be either the only dog or with dogs that are at least as large and strong as he is, if not more so.

I hope Love4Pits sees this thread; she's a professional musher and very expert with Sibes.
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Old 03-05-2005, 12:47 PM
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hmm tough one. For the most part he resembles a SH with his head and body build (other then size). Yes his legs are wolflike but I have had a few SH's that had those same legs and they were for sure pure breds. SH's also can have a course coat depending on the dog with it being short they can get that as well their coat type can vary not saying it is always accepted by the AKC.

His face is very Husky but is size is a tough one I have yet to have a husky that big. You could try to have your vet evaluate him and your vet may be able to tell you their opinion on his breed. He could be a wolf hybrid when I was a child my father brought home a Siberian Husky/Wolf hybrid named Coyote. He was a bigger dog but really sweet. I doubt his dominence issues are from him being a hybrid IF he is in fact one he could possibly be a large husky but itsits not that common atleast around here. I would'nt let him sleep on the bed if he growls at you and is in with in biting distance until he learns some manners.

Also is he neutered? That may be best for his bad attitude yet i have had a dog in the passed which was neutered thinking it would mellow out his aggressive behaviour but for Willy it did'nt really help out at all.
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Old 03-05-2005, 12:54 PM
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He looks more like an alaskan husky. Maybe it is a cross between that and a big sibe. A lot of sibes have dominance issues and I have seen them in many many different sizes and looks. They are so overbred up here that some of them are just plain nutty(I don't blame them thouugh).Can't you ask for dna tests with akc dogs? If you are really worried about it try it. I think what you are explaining is normal husky behavior. Ours was calm indoors the day she hit two. She will all of a sudden go after the other dogs too. Maybe try contacting a sibe rescue that you can get to work with the people you are returning him too. He might be a dog that needs to work.
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Old 03-05-2005, 01:04 PM
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I agree with Joce as well i did'nt think of it before but he could very well be a SH, AH cross. i think a dna test would be the best way to go.
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Old 03-05-2005, 01:39 PM
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First of all, I'm an inept moron with computers when I'm upset. When I built that page w/ the pics I didn't end it in .html....so some browsers couldn't view it. If you axs http://www.angelfire.com/wi3/fluffnu...siberians.html you should not have trouble now.

The Alaskan mix occured to me. The reason I asked about the wolf hybrid is because my husband had a buffalo wolf/samoyed at one point in time and this dog exhibits characteristics very much like that one did. We contacted the breeder from the AKC papers (thank God she didn't move) and the breeder admitted to being a poor breeder and making a lot of mistakes. They only bred two litters, the second one resulted in some kind of milk toxicity problem. The breeder tried to say that is what has caused the greyhound body. I was inclined to think he can't hold weight because wolves systems can't process dog food--it passes through him. Hence, the thinness. Whatever the case, the breeder agreed to take him and get him neutered. She says she is planning to utilize him in mushing. I think with the right facility and time and chemistry, the dog certainly could be a great racer--a lead dog...but that's not here. It is not fair to the samoyed. I love the dog in him but I do not trust the other part...it's like living with a schizophrenic animal.

And so, tomorrow morning I leave for a town 2 hours away to dump off my dog. This crap sucks and I am more than upset. I called the people we got him from to ask their opinion and they basically washed their hands of him. The woman was oh, so concerned at first about him coming here, she e mailed and called all through the first day...so I start taking web pix and sending updates and I get an e mail she meant for her mother insulting my house but complimenting us as people??? I faced her with that on phone and e mail, she backtracked, and now she wants nothing to do with Murphy whatsoever...

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Old 03-05-2005, 06:58 PM
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I'm so sorry for you. If this pup is registered I would say it's a poor breeding. What a shame for the pup and people who only want a good dog for them !!
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The good thing is that you know where Murphy is going. He will undoubtedly be much happier with work to do. Some dogs are so intense that they just can't tolerate a life of leisure. You tried, but from your description it's very apparent that he wasn't the right dog for you. It really didn't sound like a safe situation. But you tried, and you aren't "dumping" him. I honestly don't see that you did anything other than make the best possible decision in a rotten situation. ((hugs))

I don't really think he looks like anything more than a rather leggy Sibe out of an inexperienced breeder. And as far as the wolfdogs not being able to digest dog food, well, I find that a hard bit of the wolfdog mythology to swallow. Bimmer thrives on Innova dog food. It's probably got more to do with the lousy quality of most commercial dog foods than anything else.
Do something nice for yourself after your pilgrimage. Get yourself a lovely pint of Godiva chocolate ice cream and don't share it with anyone! And have a good cry while you look at your photos of Murphy.

By the way, it's interesting that you named him Murphy. Ever heard of Bridie Murphy?
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