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Old 06-16-2014, 05:27 AM
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This thread makes me sad. Women need to chill and just embrace each other.
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Old 06-16-2014, 07:48 AM
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Yes I know I have noticed that, luckily I work with a bunch of guys, and my fiancee. Even girls who I would deem prettier than me hate me, maybe because I am "real" and they are not (you know, as a man what I am talking about: tons of makeup, revealing clothes etc ...) I don't have to TRY to be good looking and they hate it
This statement makes me very, very sad.

All women are real. What they wear and who they choose to be is their decision.
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Old 06-16-2014, 08:40 AM
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I think its well documented FACT that humans treat other humans differently dependent on looks. Note I'm not specifying gender here. Or what looks. Its goes ALL WAYS.

What's sad is people perpetuate it. But I know I'm guilty as much as the next person.... its very very hard not to make (often unconscious) judgement.
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Old 06-16-2014, 09:12 AM
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On the flip side... The number of people posting who are not ok with the idea that we should judge women so harshly on their clothing choices is nice.

We are all real girls/women. And I don't care if people are promiscuous, if they are just looking to hook up. Its none of my business and it affects me not in the slightest.
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Old 06-16-2014, 10:15 AM
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And I am absolutely treated differently. No questioning it. My co-workers, my employers, the people who interview me, my peers, my customers, people who look at my college record. Because I'm pretty. Not because I am intelligent. Not because I'm clever. And certainly not because I'm educated. I'm pretty, so why bother, right? I'm pretty = I am a bimbo.
Steering clear of the rest of this because everybody else has addressed it spectacularly, but I just wanted to chime in on this with a +1. I was denied a job in the past because I showed up to the interview, a pretty, thin girl. The job was working at a screen printing shop, so it had a physical aspect required - and the owner of the shop interviewed me, then sighed at the end and started telling me "You know, it's a really hard job. It's hot back there and you sweat a lot. You have to lift a lot of heavy things. And you can't have nice nails." As it happens I DON'T have nice nails and I've NEVER had nice nails. But he saw me and made assumptions about me. I'll also mention that at the time of this interview, I worked in a STOCKROOM in retail, and he knew this. But no amount of telling him that I work in a stockroom and I lift heavy things back there all day and I don't have nice nails and I like hot temperatures and on and on could combat what he saw when he looked at me. When the interview was almost finished, I saw a girl come out of the back. She was short, overweight, had her hair cropped really short. She looked butch, for lack of any better way to describe it. And I knew when I walked out of that interview I would never hear from that guy again. Because I didn't fit his image of what a girl who worked running a screenprinting press should look like.

I applied for a job last week where one of the job requirements is lifting 80-100lbs. I can do this. But I know if I show up, they are going to take one look at me and simply not believe I am physically capable of it. Unless I tell them "Look, load up a bar. Watch me." they will NOT in any way shape or form believe I could do it. Because I'm cute, I'm pretty, I'm thin. I don't match their view of what a strong girl "should" look like.

People don't take you seriously. They assume you're stupid. They assume you're weak. They assume you don't, and can't, do anything for yourself.


I also agree with Dizzy that it's not just women. Humans are visual beings and we make assumptions about other people based on their appearance. Two dudes show up for an interview, one wearing sloppy, ill-fitting, stained t-shirt and sweatpants, the other wearing a suit and tie; which one are you going to assume is the more professional of the two?
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I can't find it online right now, but there was once an experiment to see who would be helped on the side of the road faster - a pretty woman or an "average" woman.

A broken-down car was staged. When it was a pretty woman's car, people flocked to help her. The "average" woman didn't get helped at all.

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Old 06-16-2014, 10:45 AM
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I can't find it online right now, but there was once an experiment to see who would be helped on the side of the road faster - a pretty woman or an "average" woman.

A broken-down car was staged. When it was a pretty woman's car, people flocked to help her. The "average" woman didn't get helped at all.

Sad.
Given my post above (and my psychology degree) I gotta wonder some about motivation. Pretty woman = helpless? Average woman = capable by herself?
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Old 06-16-2014, 11:12 AM
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Yeah, I like to watch the 'What Would You Do?' show, and there was one where there was a woman that was poorly dressed, banged up car, etc. and a kid as the actors. When the 'mom' started berating the 'kid' over something, who was about 6-7 I think, right outside the car parked next to a sidewalk, people passing by stepped in. When it turned into a mom dressed nicely with a really nice car, no one said anything. Sheesh.

And yes, we all thin slice, we all make assumptions based on how people look. But when we're having a discussion where you have time to think, and it's theoretical...I would hope your viewpoint would not be 'oh those women are fake because they don't look the way I like to look.'
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Old 06-16-2014, 11:13 AM
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Its been proven over and over that when someone is good looking they get away with a lot more, get more doors opened, etc. Now, that is not to say that it can sometimes be a hindrance too...especially if you have someone who is bitter about something that happened in their past or yes, the bimbo effect.

I know when I gained a lot of weight I noticed a difference in the way I was treated. Not rudely yet (though I am my own harshest critic in that way) and not that I was ever gorgeous or anything, but yeah, when I was younger and thinner people did jump up to help me quicker etc. I also never got the "bimbo" treatment being a. not THAT pretty but also, I think having dark hair and eyes and being short maybe helped that?

Regardless yes, as a society there is no doubt that pretty in general are treated better...but that does not always mean its a positive for them as its fickle and a double edged sword.

As to the other discussion, yeah, a strong confident woman who dresses skimpily and has many partners? More power to her!!! I think its often jealousy from insecure women....and I say this knowing I have had my moments of it. I recognize it and realize it ME with the problem however. Not to say I dont know some women who DO dress for others, who use dress and makeup as a shield etc...but that you can not tell from seeing someone at a club and it still does not make them fake or not a "real" woman...that makes them HUMAN...as in we are all human with faults and struggles.
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Old 06-16-2014, 11:24 AM
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When I lost 50 lbs YES there was a difference in how well I was treated. It is very obvious if you go from 'ugly' to 'attractive' (or at least more attractive). People help you a lot more, pay more attention to you, and are generally just more friendly. It's strange because I was the same person but yes, there's a distinct difference.

It's not that I'm treated badly now but there is a difference...
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