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Old 05-13-2014, 02:49 PM
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My first advice has already been said by several people so I won't repeat, but if you really can't break her of it, how do you feel about litter training? Would be better than scrubbing your carpets anyway...
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Old 05-14-2014, 08:00 AM
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Ew.

Obviously pair a cue with pooping. Everyone thought I was a nutsack for following Eve around while she took a dump, chanting "poop", but at four months old she was crapping on cue and I wasn't struggling with housetraining anymore.

It sucks trying to stick to it because they can be so annoying when tethered/crated, LOL.
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Old 05-14-2014, 09:24 AM
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The nice thing about her is that she's little. So if she doesn't poop outside, you can just carry her around the house for 5-10 minutes, then go back out. And keep repeating until she poops outside, then let her have some freedom in the house (supervising of course, but at least off the tether and maybe some play or a training session if she considers that a reward).

It's a PITA, but IME it doesn't take that long for dogs to realize that pooping outside earns release from boring no-fun land.
We've played this game for HOURS before. Take her outside, then crate for 15 minutes, take outside, crate for 15 minutes. I have no idea why I'm not skinny with all the stair running I do with her.

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Ugh. House training. I thought I had it all figured out until I got a Chihuahua. (A Chihuahua that wasn't ever fully house trained in her previous home.) Her nickname is shitmonster for a reason.

Each winter I see a back slide. Now that the weather is getting nicer luckily it seems like the problem is rectifying itself. She would poop in a carpeted corner in the basement. A few weeks ago I realized that the poo corner also had spots of urine. #$%^&. My husband razed me about being too obsessive about getting the dogs out many times a day. I think a good chunk of the accidents happened while I was out and it was him in charge of taking her out (which apparently didn't happen often enough). He's more on board now thankfully.

To address it I didn't do anything too special. I would put her in an x-pen during the day. I'm intimately familiar with her peeing & pooing habits and mentally kept track of how often and how much. If we were hanging around the house she was under direct supervision and as many doors as possible were closed. Trips outside were once every 1-2 hours. It was easier to re-house train her when I was in an apartment since leashed walks were mandatory. Now that I live in a house with a yard I get lazy and stick the dogs outside and trust that they take care of the rest. Don't be like me and get lazy.

I tell clients that freedom should only be granted if the dog has been successful for a month. If she poops inside on day 27, reset that 1-month counter and it's back to puppy prison.
Previously this was the game plan and how we did it. No free time until you go to the bathroom. But she doesn't always completely poop, and so then I'd find a pile half an hour later.

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I wonder if pulling the couch out (and not having a chair in that corner like now) would eliminate her from going back there? If it's not well hidden, she may not try?

And then I think a gate in the entry way would be do-able! Remind me and I'll get mine from Tim's!
If you try and block off her corner she will so in the middle of the floor :/

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I like springer's idea of moving the furniture. Having a different living room layout may help break the pattern.

And I like the long line/flexi/off leash suggestion. She won't go on a tether -- so if you're using one of the same "tethers" outside, maybe she's concerned or confused? Even though she's had leashed potty breaks her whole life lol

What if she ONLY got her ball after popping outside? I know you regulate ball time pretty strictly anyway but she only gets to play after she poops?

Just ideas!
I'm definitely going to try the ball idea!! That's great!!

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Matchstick up her butt. Every time she goes outside because right now and at her age, it is habit. Get her in that routine. Otherwise, I would also say to crate/tether. No free time loose at all until she is reliable for weeks.
This is where we are at now. She is crated/tethered at all times, and we haven't had an accident since starting that.

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What Sass said. I'd also not be waiting 15+ minutes for pooping as I'm mean.

All of my dogs from puppies have 5 mins to potty which then drops to about 2 as they get the idea. They are on leash, we go to a specific spot, I'm a post, and they have their set time. If there are no results, back inside (carried if need be) and crated for a period of time (10 mins for puppies, 30-60 mins for adults), then brought out to restart the pattern. Once they do go, all the good things happen: we go for a walk, we play, they get free run in the house, they get breakfast or dinner, etc. Nothing good happens until poop has been produced.
As I said above, we've done this (I only started staying out there for 15 minutes with her since I started the tethering/crating) and it can go for hours. She doesn't ever seem to put two and two together?


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My first advice has already been said by several people so I won't repeat, but if you really can't break her of it, how do you feel about litter training? Would be better than scrubbing your carpets anyway...
If she would reliably crap in a box inside, I would be thrilled.
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Old 05-14-2014, 05:03 PM
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As I said above, we've done this (I only started staying out there for 15 minutes with her since I started the tethering/crating) and it can go for hours. She doesn't ever seem to put two and two together?
Have you done this paired with crating/tethering, too, so she's errorless? How long have you tried it for? For the really challenging dogs it may take a couple of days ime. And if you just give up and give free reign before they go, you just make it even harder on yourself. We have a holiday weekend coming up, maybe that would be a good time?

Aeri went 24+ hours without pooping when we did this, but it worked.
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Old 05-14-2014, 07:56 PM
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Now that the weather is nice, if carrying her back and forth didn't work for hours I might just park myself outside in a lawn chair with a book and wait until she poops then make something amazing for her happen. I mean, it kind of sucks but so does cleaning up poop.
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Have you done this paired with crating/tethering, too, so she's errorless? How long have you tried it for? For the really challenging dogs it may take a couple of days ime. And if you just give up and give free reign before they go, you just make it even harder on yourself. We have a holiday weekend coming up, maybe that would be a good time?

Aeri went 24+ hours without pooping when we did this, but it worked.
She's been errorless for...6 days now, since we've started the tethering/crating.
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She's been errorless for...6 days now, since we've started the tethering/crating.
That's awesome! I meant more whether you'd tried the outside/crate/outside/crate cycling idea after going errorless or not. It's sounds like you've tried a lot of things, but it can be easy to miss a combo of techniques that work best together when you have so many things to keep track of.
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Just wanted to pop back in and say we are 11 days errorless!

I switched her to the Flexi and it's made a big difference. I think being able to run around and get things moving is making it much easier for her to go, or at least it makes her need to go sooner! I haven't needed to stay out for 15 minutes, and there has been a couple times where she goes within a minute or two of going outside. I've been making sure to walk her around after she goes, because I don't want her to figure out that going poop = back inside. That would be great if it were winter, but it's actually been nice here.

One thing I have noticed is that when she has looser stool (not even soft serve texture, just a slightly bit more loose) she will completely expel everything, but when it's firm, she won't. I'm considering keeping her on a food where she has a slightly looser stool, because I'm starting to think that she is just having a hard time pushing out the firm stool. We'll do bones a couple times a week to make sure her anal glands get expressed, but at least for now, it will make the housetraining easier if she is emptying herself.
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just wanted to pop back in and say we are 11 days errorless! :d

i switched her to the flexi and it's made a big difference. I think being able to run around and get things moving is making it much easier for her to go, or at least it makes her need to go sooner! I haven't needed to stay out for 15 minutes, and there has been a couple times where she goes within a minute or two of going outside. I've been making sure to walk her around after she goes, because i don't want her to figure out that going poop = back inside. That would be great if it were winter, but it's actually been nice here.

One thing i have noticed is that when she has looser stool (not even soft serve texture, just a slightly bit more loose) she will completely expel everything, but when it's firm, she won't. I'm considering keeping her on a food where she has a slightly looser stool, because i'm starting to think that she is just having a hard time pushing out the firm stool. We'll do bones a couple times a week to make sure her anal glands get expressed, but at least for now, it will make the housetraining easier if she is emptying herself.
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One thing that can help establish a regular pooping schedule is a regular feeding schedule. Feed your dog at a certain time every day. Leave the food down for a limited amount of time then take it away if it isn't finished. This discourages dogs that like to nibble between meals. What goes in on schedule comes out on schedule.

Your restricting the dog at times you can't keep close watch on it is a good idea. We are likely to follow a routine. Dogs get in routines just like people. Your dog has developed a routine of going in the house. If it is in one special spot, you may need to use something to remove the odor so the dog doesn't think that that is the toilet spot.
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