Dog Site - Dog Stuff
Dog Forum | Dog Pictures

Go Back   Chazhound Dog Forum > Dog Discussions and Dog Talk Forums > Dogs - General Dog Chat


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 05-13-2014, 06:51 AM
joce's Avatar
joce joce is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Ohio
Posts: 4,206
Default

With her not going till its practically out maybe there is an issue with her holding it till she can't anymore? My friend had a shelties years ago and had pain pooping because her hair had gotten into the poop once and it was a big mess. Always had problems after that and vet attributed it to her thinking that pain was going to happen again when she pooped. I can't remember if they fed pumpkin or anything or just kept a close eye on her.

I'm not much help though since blitz pooped in the house out of nowhere last weekend. I don't even think he squated, just kept going like "nothing's happening here, ignore that horrible smell". He had maybe two accidents in the house when he was younger. Dogs. Grrrr.
__________________


If I have any beliefs about immortality, it is that certain
dogs I have known will go to heaven, and very, very few
persons -James Thurber
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 05-13-2014, 08:24 AM
PWCorgi's Avatar
PWCorgi PWCorgi is offline
Priscilla Winifred Corgi
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Twin Citay!
Posts: 14,669
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Southpaw View Post

I think my point is that, I don't think you can go from tethering ---> freedom. Maybe some inbetween where she's not tethered and is "technically" free but you still keep a watchful eye on her and are able to prevent sneaking away, or worse case you catch her in the act of pooing and are able to interrupt and provide that feedback to her.
I know that she will have to gradually earn more freedom back, and that's what I'm looking for, essentially, is what steps I can take to help that be gradual, so I don't screw it up

Does she poop on a schedule at all? Lol this helped with Cajun too, I pretty much knew there'd be a morning and lunchtime poop, and maybe an evening one. But anything between those times, we were safe!
Not really. Even when all her meals are at the same time, she doesn't have a condsistent schedule. MOST of the time she will go right away in the morning, though that doesn't seem to be true of this morning. MOST of the time she needs to go when someone gets home from work, but again, not every time.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Slick View Post
You live in an apartment right? Have you ever tried to let her go outside off leash?

I have discovered the Leo really does not like pooping on leash. It takes a loooong walk for him to go. If I take him home for the weekend to my parents (aka he gets to poop in the backyard), he wont go at all on leash for a day or two until he finally gives in. Luckily for me, he has never pooped inside, so I think for him, he doesn't see that as an option.

Lately, I have been letting him off-leash for a very brief period of time, just for him to poop, and he goes SOOOOO much faster. Where before he would take 10-15 minutes, he now goes within the minute.
I just take him to a small patch of grass that is a distance away from the street and mostly surrounded by all sides by apartments, so there are minimal distractions. I still keep an eagle eye out just in case (for instance, if he saw a cat he might try to go after it). But ever since I have started doing that, our mornings are so much more relaxed.

Maybe give that a try, if she is reliable off leash?
I can't really let her off-leash with the way my apartment is set up, but I may try her on a flexi so she has more run distance!

Quote:
Originally Posted by joce View Post
With her not going till its practically out maybe there is an issue with her holding it till she can't anymore? My friend had a shelties years ago and had pain pooping because her hair had gotten into the poop once and it was a big mess. Always had problems after that and vet attributed it to her thinking that pain was going to happen again when she pooped. I can't remember if they fed pumpkin or anything or just kept a close eye on her.

I'm not much help though since blitz pooped in the house out of nowhere last weekend. I don't even think he squated, just kept going like "nothing's happening here, ignore that horrible smell". He had maybe two accidents in the house when he was younger. Dogs. Grrrr.
I've thought about the potential for it hurting as well, the thing that throws that off for me is that she will so readily go inside. She doesn't seem to wait until the last minute if she's given the option to go inside. This is gross, so *graphic warning* or something, but she holds it so, so long that when she finally does go, sometimes the beginning of her BM is folded over on itself. So it is twice as wide as the rest of it, if that makes any sense? That could certainly be painful for her, but I have no idea how to get around that if she won't just poop!!
__________________

Ado's Gimme Victory RL1* "Siri"
1.5 year old Jack Russell Terrier
Gimme Drugs Not Hugs RL1 "Frodo"
8 year old Pembroke Welsh Corgi


*All Siri's rally/obedience titles are to be considered handled by Megan,
because ain't nobody (read: me) got time or skills fo' dat.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 05-13-2014, 08:51 AM
sassafras's Avatar
sassafras sassafras is offline
such sights to show you
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 5,937
Default

The nice thing about her is that she's little. So if she doesn't poop outside, you can just carry her around the house for 5-10 minutes, then go back out. And keep repeating until she poops outside, then let her have some freedom in the house (supervising of course, but at least off the tether and maybe some play or a training session if she considers that a reward).

It's a PITA, but IME it doesn't take that long for dogs to realize that pooping outside earns release from boring no-fun land.
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 05-13-2014, 09:26 AM
Sekah's Avatar
Sekah Sekah is online now
The Monster.
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Toronto
Posts: 1,250
Default

Ugh. House training. I thought I had it all figured out until I got a Chihuahua. (A Chihuahua that wasn't ever fully house trained in her previous home.) Her nickname is shitmonster for a reason.

Each winter I see a back slide. Now that the weather is getting nicer luckily it seems like the problem is rectifying itself. She would poop in a carpeted corner in the basement. A few weeks ago I realized that the poo corner also had spots of urine. #$%^&. My husband razed me about being too obsessive about getting the dogs out many times a day. I think a good chunk of the accidents happened while I was out and it was him in charge of taking her out (which apparently didn't happen often enough). He's more on board now thankfully.

To address it I didn't do anything too special. I would put her in an x-pen during the day. I'm intimately familiar with her peeing & pooing habits and mentally kept track of how often and how much. If we were hanging around the house she was under direct supervision and as many doors as possible were closed. Trips outside were once every 1-2 hours. It was easier to re-house train her when I was in an apartment since leashed walks were mandatory. Now that I live in a house with a yard I get lazy and stick the dogs outside and trust that they take care of the rest. Don't be like me and get lazy.

I tell clients that freedom should only be granted if the dog has been successful for a month. If she poops inside on day 27, reset that 1-month counter and it's back to puppy prison.
__________________

Cheynat's O' Lady Midnight CD RE ADC SGDC FDCh-S CGN HIC, Esq.
Megatron, Heat Vampire
Ci Da: Good Dog
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 05-13-2014, 09:38 AM
SpringerLover's Avatar
SpringerLover SpringerLover is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: B-ville
Posts: 3,236
Default

I wonder if pulling the couch out (and not having a chair in that corner like now) would eliminate her from going back there? If it's not well hidden, she may not try?

And then I think a gate in the entry way would be do-able! Remind me and I'll get mine from Tim's!
__________________
Megan and the Aroha English Springer Spaniels
To Infinity and Beyond! ARCH URO1 UCD Buzz NAC NCC S-NJC O-TN-N TG-N WV-N RL2 RLVX RN ThD CGC 5/4/1998-5/20/2014
The Hallway Monitor Bailey VCD1 RE NAC NCC TN-N CGC 14 years
Puzzle Piece Gabby RLV 8 years
ESRA foster Diego 12 years
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 05-13-2014, 09:49 AM
k9krazee's Avatar
k9krazee k9krazee is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Michigan, USA
Posts: 2,188
Default

I like springer's idea of moving the furniture. Having a different living room layout may help break the pattern.

And I like the long line/flexi/off leash suggestion. She won't go on a tether -- so if you're using one of the same "tethers" outside, maybe she's concerned or confused? Even though she's had leashed potty breaks her whole life lol

What if she ONLY got her ball after popping outside? I know you regulate ball time pretty strictly anyway but she only gets to play after she poops?

Just ideas!
__________________

Crossbone - 2011 Cattle Pirate | Jack - 2004 Beaglador
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 05-13-2014, 10:06 AM
SpringerLover's Avatar
SpringerLover SpringerLover is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: B-ville
Posts: 3,236
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by k9krazee View Post
What if she ONLY got her ball after popping outside? I know you regulate ball time pretty strictly anyway but she only gets to play after she poops?

Just ideas!
I think the ball thing could be powerful! I wonder if taking her out behind the apartment on a flex/long linei, and then playing ball after she poops would make an impact on her? But you'd have to conceal it before you go outside, or she's not going to poop, right? Haha.
__________________
Megan and the Aroha English Springer Spaniels
To Infinity and Beyond! ARCH URO1 UCD Buzz NAC NCC S-NJC O-TN-N TG-N WV-N RL2 RLVX RN ThD CGC 5/4/1998-5/20/2014
The Hallway Monitor Bailey VCD1 RE NAC NCC TN-N CGC 14 years
Puzzle Piece Gabby RLV 8 years
ESRA foster Diego 12 years
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 05-13-2014, 10:35 AM
GatorDog's Avatar
GatorDog GatorDog is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 487
Default

Matchstick up her butt. Every time she goes outside because right now and at her age, it is habit. Get her in that routine. Otherwise, I would also say to crate/tether. No free time loose at all until she is reliable for weeks.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 05-13-2014, 12:03 PM
AgilityPup's Avatar
AgilityPup AgilityPup is offline
Agility freak!
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: New Brunswick, Canada
Posts: 5,224
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorDog View Post
Matchstick up her butt. Every time she goes outside because right now and at her age, it is habit. Get her in that routine. Otherwise, I would also say to crate/tether. No free time loose at all until she is reliable for weeks.
I was thinking this too.
__________________

Zoey - Mini Aussie / Psyche - Border Collie / Simi - GSD
Forever Missed Bella - GSD [03-11-07 - 09-17-10]
Going For 'Good Dog!' Blog
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 05-13-2014, 02:15 PM
stardogs stardogs is offline
Behavior Nerd
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: NC
Posts: 4,592
Default

What Sass said. I'd also not be waiting 15+ minutes for pooping as I'm mean.

All of my dogs from puppies have 5 mins to potty which then drops to about 2 as they get the idea. They are on leash, we go to a specific spot, I'm a post, and they have their set time. If there are no results, back inside (carried if need be) and crated for a period of time (10 mins for puppies, 30-60 mins for adults), then brought out to restart the pattern. Once they do go, all the good things happen: we go for a walk, we play, they get free run in the house, they get breakfast or dinner, etc. Nothing good happens until poop has been produced.

Aeri did some poop dawdling stuff, but now she will poop on cue or at least holds it for 12+ hours if she misses her chance, even while traveling. Flexis have been our friend for traveling since we have a fenced yard at home.
__________________
Erin, Ziva, Kestrel, Aerten, and Snipe
Always in our hearts: The Amazing Maggie Mae


Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:33 AM.


1997-2013 Chazhound Dog Site