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Old 05-12-2014, 10:40 PM
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So, for those of you who are not FB friends with me, here's the deal.

Siri is 18 months old, and will regularly poop in the house (whenever she can!), and infrequently urinate in the house. She is super sneaky about it, and only does it when we can't see her (if we are in the living room she goes to the bedroom, if we are in the bedroom she goes behind the chair in the living room).

Whenever we go outside she urinates immediately, but it routinely takes her 15+ minutes of walking around outside for her to poop. Sometimes multiple trips out of 15+ minutes each time. It is extremely easy to tell when she has to go, but it has to practically be falling out of her before she will concede to going. However, if she has to go and I bring her inside, she will immediately go and poop. Just doesn't seem to want to do it outside.

Previously we have done weeks of being super careful to watch her all the time, but as soon as we start giving her any freedom, she backslides and starts going in the house again.

We are really REALLY trying to make this work this time. Because holy hell are Ryan and I sick of it.

Right now she is on complete lockdown. Either she is in a crate, or on a 6 foot tether at all times. She won't go to the bathroom in the house on a tether.

We are planning to do this lockdown for at least a month to see if we can break the habit, but really I don't know where to go from there. How do I start giving her freedom back in a way that won't allow her to backslide?

And before anyone asks, she has been tested for a UTI. She had a really bad one many, many months ago, it was treated, and she has had multiple UA/cultures done since then, all of which have come back normal/no infection.

If you read this, you deserve a cookie. If you have help for me, well you deserve whatever the hell you want, but what you'll get is my eternal gratitude.
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Old 05-12-2014, 10:50 PM
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For sneaky toy breed dogs, people I know from work have had similar problems (won't go on tether/leash inside, but when given freedom will sneak) and it honestly had to be done with..

-baby gates after the tether (keeping the dog in the same room as them so no sneaking was possible)
- EXTREMELY high value treats for outside bathrooms (I believe hot dogs and bully sticks were used and given at no other time)
- As for the pooping issue, perhaps a new outside potty area surface is in order...like maybe get some mulch for a kind of new area? And since walking with her is kind of a pain, maybe an outside tether and do some tough love and leave her out until she goes...

Oh and I would perhaps rent one of those Stanley steamers if you have carpet...or just go natures miracle crazy. Kind of start fresh kind of thing?

and ringing bell cat collars are very effective when it comes to catching sneaky dogs...the sound of a scampering dog up to no good is very distinctive when you put a little bell on it..
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Old 05-12-2014, 10:51 PM
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#nothingelsetoadd.

I will take you out to dinner (and/or drinks?) if Siri doesn't have any accidents for a week, then for two weeks! YOU CAN DO IT!

I even took her out for Ryan yesterday, because he was following the rules of keeping her crated when he wasn't watching her.
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Old 05-12-2014, 11:04 PM
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-baby gates after the tether (keeping the dog in the same room as them so no sneaking was possible)
This is kind of difficult with how my apartment is set up. I can either keep her in one half of the apartment or another with a baby get. Otherwise I can keep her in the same area with me if I steal my x-pen back from Megan and split my living room/dining room
- EXTREMELY high value treats for outside bathrooms (I believe hot dogs and bully sticks were used and given at no other time)
We do this, and I make a huge deal out of it. I essentially jackpot every time she goes outside, yay happy screechy voice, etc. like I would with a tiny puppy
- As for the pooping issue, perhaps a new outside potty area surface is in order...like maybe get some mulch for a kind of new area? And since walking with her is kind of a pain, maybe an outside tether and do some tough love and leave her out until she goes...
I live in an apartment, so surface isn't really something I can change, and I'm pretty sure I'd get in trouble for tethering her outside

Oh and I would perhaps rent one of those Stanley steamers if you have carpet...or just go natures miracle crazy. Kind of start fresh kind of thing?
We shampooed the carpets the day we started this

and ringing bell cat collars are very effective when it comes to catching sneaky dogs...the sound of a scampering dog up to no good is very distinctive when you put a little bell on it..
Thanks for the response!

Also, you're going to owe me dinner in 3 days then Megan!
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Old 05-12-2014, 11:06 PM
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Also, you're going to owe me dinner in 3 days then Megan!
Deal!

And, you can have your xpen back at any time! I'm only hoarding two xpens, two large dog crates, two collapsible crates, and a cat crate in my studio apartment... I also have two baby gates at Tim's. Or something...
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I even took her out for Ryan yesterday, because he was following the rules of keeping her crated when he wasn't watching her.
He has been REALLY good!

And Siri has really done better than expected with the arrangement. I try to have her tethered as opposed to crated as much as possible. But I can't study and watch her, so she gets crated and I put on headphones to drown out her leaking.
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Old 05-12-2014, 11:07 PM
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Deal!

And, you can have your xpen back at any time! I'm only hoarding two xpens, two large dog crates, two collapsible crates, and a cat crate in my studio apartment... I also have two baby gates at Tim's. Or something...


Well I don't need it now since it won't do much good when she is on a 6 foot tether.
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And Siri has really done better than expected with the arrangement. I try to have her tethered as opposed to crated as much as possible. But I can't study and watch her, so she gets crated and I put on headphones to drown out her leaking.
Bonus: this may improve her crate leaking too!!?!?!
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Old 05-12-2014, 11:27 PM
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Cajun wasn't housebroken when we got her and basically going back to puppy square 1 worked out fine for her (going out way frequently, party for pottying outside, close supervision inside...), but even when I felt like she knew the drill, I still kept a close eye on her and didn't let her out of my sight. I'd call her room to room with me, technically she was "free" but I could see her and call her back if she started to wander, or catch any sign of her maybe thinking about going potty in the house.

Definitely by week 3 I was pretty confident with where we were at. But, I'm sure it was to my advantage that she didn't have a history of pottying in THIS house.

I think my point is that, I don't think you can go from tethering ---> freedom. Maybe some inbetween where she's not tethered and is "technically" free but you still keep a watchful eye on her and are able to prevent sneaking away, or worse case you catch her in the act of pooing and are able to interrupt and provide that feedback to her.

Does she poop on a schedule at all? Lol this helped with Cajun too, I pretty much knew there'd be a morning and lunchtime poop, and maybe an evening one. But anything between those times, we were safe!

This may or may not make sense, that's happens when I post while tired + sick
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Old 05-13-2014, 12:23 AM
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You live in an apartment right? Have you ever tried to let her go outside off leash?

I have discovered the Leo really does not like pooping on leash. It takes a loooong walk for him to go. If I take him home for the weekend to my parents (aka he gets to poop in the backyard), he wont go at all on leash for a day or two until he finally gives in. Luckily for me, he has never pooped inside, so I think for him, he doesn't see that as an option.

Lately, I have been letting him off-leash for a very brief period of time, just for him to poop, and he goes SOOOOO much faster. Where before he would take 10-15 minutes, he now goes within the minute.
I just take him to a small patch of grass that is a distance away from the street and mostly surrounded by all sides by apartments, so there are minimal distractions. I still keep an eagle eye out just in case (for instance, if he saw a cat he might try to go after it). But ever since I have started doing that, our mornings are so much more relaxed.

Maybe give that a try, if she is reliable off leash?
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