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Old 02-20-2014, 07:22 AM
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Alrighty. My sister is planning to get a GSD. I think the main reason she wants this particular breed is because she is into law/police work etc. She wants to be a police officer eventually and went to college studying criminal law.

That said as far as a GSD goes.... She simply wants a pet dog. I know she won't be doing any dog sports or working at all with this dog outside of maybe a puppy training class.

I've been trying to deter her from working lines if possible and she is open to rescue but is adamant on a puppy and seems to be only looking in her area (California) mainly because she wants to meet the dog before she brings the puppy home.

She texted me the other day if I knew any breeders in CA I could point her too. I don't honestly because they aren't a breed that is a good fit for me and my lifestyle right now so I've never really looked into them.

Does anyone know any breeders I could point her to? She is mainly looking in CA but I think surrounding states would be fine too if she really likes the breeder. Again, I want to refrain from pointing her to breeders that focus on working line German shepherds. A pet quality puppy from a showline breeder is about what I had in mind for her.
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Old 02-20-2014, 09:01 AM
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I've been trying to deter her from working lines if possible

Again, I want to refrain from pointing her to breeders that focus on working line German shepherds. A pet quality puppy from a showline breeder is about what I had in mind for her.
Just out of curiosity, why? There are most definitely really lovely pet quality puppies out of working lines that are not hard to handle. And the price point is significantly cheaper.
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Old 02-20-2014, 09:53 AM
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Second what Falon said.

Von Kistha Haus...Kim Haegly is in CA. She has nice dogs.
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I'd bet money on a more stable working line GSD than show line any day. There is a pet quality working line puppy in every litter that would probably lack the nerve problems that you see way more often in the show line dogs.

That said, I don't know of a single show line breeder that I'd honestly recommend in that area.
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Old 02-20-2014, 12:29 PM
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I'd bet money on a more stable working line GSD than show line any day. There is a pet quality working line puppy in every litter that would probably lack the nerve problems that you see way more often in the show line dogs.

That said, I don't know of a single show line breeder that I'd honestly recommend in that area.
I'm going to go ahead and thumbs up this entire post...said much more politely than I was able to think of in my head.
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Old 02-20-2014, 01:56 PM
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A good pet quality working line GSD could definitely make a great "just pet" dog, as could a show line GSD. But, as GatorDog said, I can't think of any show line breeders that I would recommend in the area. The closest show line breeder I'd recommend (who is actively breeding) lives in Idaho, but you mentioned that your sister wants to stay in state.

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Von Kistha Haus...Kim Haegly is in CA. She has nice dogs.
I have also heard consistently good things about Kim and her dogs. Have never met any in person but there have been people I've spoken to online who have owned her dogs and they are very happy with them.

There are also people I highly respect within the community who frequently recommend Witmer-Tyson Imports in Menlo Park, but again, I have no personal experience with the kennel. His upcoming March litter actually is between two German show line dogs, so your sister may be interested in that.

I'll also put in a good word for Ajay Singh of vom Patiala, I am either on a message list or a Facebook group or possibly a forum that this breeder is also a part of and I've been interested in his dogs for a while.

There is another breeder in CA that I am strongly considering getting my next GSD from, but the dogs will probably be more than what your sister is prepared for (even the pet quality ones). I guess it's one of those cases where, if she really did want a GSD, that would be what she should be looking for... but even typing makes me a little embarrassed because that's implying what some others breed isn't a GSD. Which often is the popular opinion depending on what crowd you talk to, but that's not really the opinion you or your sister are looking for.
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Old 02-20-2014, 04:48 PM
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I don't typically personally recommend dogs from breeders that I don't have any personal experience with. I do have personal experience with Nick vom Patalia who is a seriously incredible dog, as far as working ability is concerned.

I would also let your sister know that when it comes to a breed as popular and widely bred as GSDs, sometimes it's worth it to fly the perfect puppy over instead of limiting the search by location. It's worth it in this breed to do everything you can to match as closely to what you're looking for as you can get, and staying strictly within one state might be hard to find.
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I'm a fan of working bred GSDs but...I'd be hesitant to suggest one for someone who was really looking for "just a pet". Yes working bred GSDs can be just pets for active and involved pet owners. Owners just looking for an house pet to lounge around, play fetch now and then, maybe go for some walks and just be a good, easy companion is not going to make a working bred GSD happy. It's extremely uncommon for a quality working breeder to produce truly low drive, mellow and not guardy dogs. And since she wants a puppy, that makes me even more hesitant. Puppyhood with high drive, high energy GSDs can be challenging. They bite a lot and will destroy your possessions. Jora chewed apart an entire porch swing as a puppy. Chewed it down to nothing. Chewed the couch. Chewed the deck steps. Chewed up shoes and who knows what else. She didn't develop an off switch until she was a year old or so and had to be put in a crate to get her to chill out. And that was in a dog savvy home. As an adult dog, she was a great pet but she still thrived on work and exercise. She was certainly one of my more challenging puppies (not that I minded, she was my perfect dog). I've been around a lot of GSD puppies and my experience has been similar with all of them - the higher drive, higher energy puppies are usually more difficult until they mature and get some sense

I think you are on the right track with suggesting she get a show bred dog. Despite popular belief here, a lot of show bred GSDs are great companions for pet owners looking for pets. They're basically bred to be pets and show dogs. I had an Amline girl, Lexi who was smart and protective but definitely a much easier dog than Jora. She was happy being a good housedog, going for walks, running around the yard and "for fun" training. She was a very sound dog all around and lived a very healthy 14 years. She wasn't a fluke either, a lot of dogs from her line were very similar to her and lots and lots of them are good pets with happy owners. Of course you need to be careful with who you buy from. But that goes for looking at any lines.

Covy Tucker Hill is in CA and are by far one of the most influnitial and well known breeders in show bred GSDs. Their dogs overall tend to be less extreme than some show lines and I imagine it wouldn't be hard to get a very moderate pet puppy from them. Lexi was from CTH lines but not bred by them. I have never had any interactions with them but having your sister talk to them about what she's looking for might be a good starting point. I'm sure their puppies are not cheap though.

http://www.covy-tuckerhill.com/

This is a CA AKC GSD club, quite a few CA contacts here:

http://www.akc.org/club_search/index...1&club_id=1999



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I would also let your sister know that when it comes to a breed as popular and widely bred as GSDs, sometimes it's worth it to fly the perfect puppy over instead of limiting the search by location. It's worth it in this breed to do everything you can to match as closely to what you're looking for as you can get, and staying strictly within one state might be hard to find.
Honestly because they're such a common breed, there's no reason to think someone really looking for just a companion couldn't find one in their state. Especially a state as big as CA. I'm sure there's plenty of nice pet quality puppies available in CA. They may not be the puppies you or I would choose but that's ok. Really it is I know for sure what I want in a GSD is not an easy house pet type dog.
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Old 02-20-2014, 07:12 PM
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Is she able/willing to travel to Oregon? Ann Akerill has show line GSDs but I know they do performance stuff with them too. I don't know if they do bitesports or anything.

Mel has a bitch from them that would have been really good as "just" a companion. She does herding and OB, but she's very chill, extremely stable, and just an all around good everyman type dog that would have fit in great with the average home. She puts up a big scary show for trespassers. I personally would not push her once she matures. lol. She's still under 1 year old and really hasn't destroyed anything at all, and is the star of the obedience class.

They produce both long and short coats. A lot of her dogs are black and tan.

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Maggie doesn't do that weird hock trotting thing you see in some dogs and has a nice topline. If the rest of them are anything like Maggie I'd definitely recommend them to someone wanting a companion, sport, or show GSD.
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Thanks guys. You definitely gave some thoughtful input and gave me a good foundation to begin helping her find a breeder. I don't mean any offense by what I said about wanting to point her toward a showline breeder (preferably German showline). I don't have a ton of experience with the breed. I just have what I've experienced in just about all the working line GSDs in pet homes that have come through my work. Mind you there are lots of other factors with the dogs that come through my work that could play a role too and I know they don't speak for all working GSD lines in pet homes. Anyways, will definitely look into some of the suggested breeders and let her go from there. I'm still working on her as far as looking into breeders outside of her area, but at this point she seems pretty adamant that she wants to be able to meet the dogs.
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