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Old 03-25-2014, 04:09 PM
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This is UNBELIEVABLE to me. How can the powers that be just STEAL peoples kids from them because they disagree with a diagnosis? The girl was being treated by another hospital so it's not like she was just left to suffer but that's not good enough? NOW they have say in WHAT and HOW a child's illness is treated and even dispute WHAT that illness is between two hospitals? She's gotten worse. One judge filed a motion to have her move back to Tufts hospital which DCF refused to do and still hasn't done... the Pelletiers lawyer is calling for contempt of court but NOTHING is done? How can this BE? I wonder how many children who are TRULY abused are falling through the cracks right now while all resources are wasted on this kidnapping
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Old 03-25-2014, 04:15 PM
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On the surface it seems asinine and crazy...my hope is that there is more to the story that the courts are privy to.

It can be a tricky line for sure...I am all for parents being the decision makers BUT sometimes someone needs to step in. This case certainly doesnt seem like one where that would be needed on the surface.....
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Old 03-25-2014, 04:18 PM
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I don't know... with them refusing to send her back to the original hospital and her condition NOT improving under the care of BCH with their diagnosis of "it's not physical... it's mental" and locking her up in a psych ward... I'm hard pressed to see that this is any better for her.
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Old 03-25-2014, 04:20 PM
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I read about this before, and it's not all that uncommon. I think it should scare people, but sadly most don't seem to care.

I'm of the opinion that unless you're starving your kids to death, beating them bloody or abusing them sexually there should be NOTHING anybody else can say or do. They can be pissed, they can vent on message boards, they can talk to neighbors, they can shun you at the PTA and grocery store, but they should NOT be able to do or say anything else.

The Hopsital is way out of bounds. It is a parent's right to disagree with with them as a provider and to refuse care. It is their child after all, not anybody else's. I'd feel the same way if it was a parent refusing diabetic care on religious reasons, parents refusing chemo because they don't want to put their child thru it, or a parent that has been and wishes to continue to treat under another hospital and group of physicians such as this case. It isn't YOUR decision to make!

It's appalling how much power certain groups of people have over you these days. I can't imagine what the parents are going thru. The parents should have the right to sue every single board member of the Hospital and ever doctor that has performed medical treatment without informed parental consent.
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Oh I agree....It certainly does not seem that way at all!

It seems to be completely crazy and scary.

I just meant I hope there is more to the story because if not its a REALLY big deal!
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Old 03-25-2014, 04:38 PM
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I read about this before, and it's not all that uncommon. I think it should scare people, but sadly most don't seem to care.

I'm of the opinion that unless you're starving your kids to death, beating them bloody or abusing them sexually there should be NOTHING anybody else can say or do. They can be pissed, they can vent on message boards, they can talk to neighbors, they can shun you at the PTA and grocery store, but they should NOT be able to do or say anything else.

The Hopsital is way out of bounds. It is a parent's right to disagree with with them as a provider and to refuse care. It is their child after all, not anybody else's. I'd feel the same way if it was a parent refusing diabetic care on religious reasons, parents refusing chemo because they don't want to put their child thru it, or a parent that has been and wishes to continue to treat under another hospital and group of physicians such as this case. It isn't YOUR decision to make!

It's appalling how much power certain groups of people have over you these days. I can't imagine what the parents are going thru. The parents should have the right to sue every single board member of the Hospital and ever doctor that has performed medical treatment without informed parental consent.
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Oh I agree....It certainly does not seem that way at all!

It seems to be completely crazy and scary.

I just meant I hope there is more to the story because if not its a REALLY big deal!
Yes, I know what you mean. It's a sad state of affairs when we have to hope it's worse than it seems so at least it wouldn't be so CRAZY!
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All I will say is that I know cases of children in the system, children who have been adopted, whose parents have gone to the papers etc. I've read what is reported vs. what REALLY happened... And well.... It made me sick. Very sick and angry!!!!!! It does go both ways sometimes too I might add, but in the one I have direct knowledge of it was just outrageous what was being reported. I obviously can't say what because of confidentiality, but let's say people were painted in a victim light, and I can assure you the ONLY victim was the poor child who suffered abuse. The outcry from the public was similarly disgusted with the actions of the workers, which ooooooooooh how I'd like to see them read the evidence and see the photos!! Those "poor victims" would have been hung by the same public, I can assure you of that. But with only half truths (total lies) being reported, how are people to know?! I might add this was not a case of my own!!!!!!

Do NOT believe everything that is written. There's a lot of fact and opinions missing from that story to present a balanced argument. You can't make a judgement till you have everyone's version of events.

I can assure no journalist will have the facts. Or reverend. Or anyone else for that matter, other than those directly involved.
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From what I've read and heard, yes, the parents have a reputation for being 'difficult', and yes, they did shop around to find a hospital, BUT, Tufts has a pretty darned good reputation and BCH refused to even discuss the girl's case with her primary physician. Then the court slapped a gag order on the girl's family - yeah, something smells and I don't think it's the parents.

It's frigging ridiculous - BCH stuck the girl in a psych ward, won't let her get any kind of schooling so she's at least a year behind, and the poor kid got to spend Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving, and her birthday by herself. She gets to see her parents (but not the rest of her siblings) for ONE hour a week, with DCF and security in the room. Parents aren't allowed to even take a photo of her. Yeah, that's SO much better.
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From what I've read and heard, yes, the parents have a reputation for being 'difficult', and yes, they did shop around to find a hospital, BUT, Tufts has a pretty darned good reputation and BCH refused to even discuss the girl's case with her primary physician. Then the court slapped a gag order on the girl's family - yeah, something smells and I don't think it's the parents.

It's frigging ridiculous - BCH stuck the girl in a psych ward, won't let her get any kind of schooling so she's at least a year behind, and the poor kid got to spend Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving, and her birthday by herself. She gets to see her parents (but not the rest of her siblings) for ONE hour a week, with DCF and security in the room. Parents aren't allowed to even take a photo of her. Yeah, that's SO much better.
Right? If it were the parents doig all these things people would be screaming "abuse... Neglect" but when DCF and all mighty BCH does it... It's a ok? DCF hasn't followed through with one court demand and yet No backlash? WTF?!?!

DCF claimed "medical care abuse" by the parents for takig her back to the hospital where she had already been seen an not allowing BCH to lock her up in psych. Yet... They eventually released her from BCH all together and put her in the system without the medical care they said she had to have and removed her for. THEN the court said she had to be returned to tufts and DCF never even called or made and appt and refused to send her back to the original hospital. Sounds like a lot of backtracking and cover up by BCH and DCF, IMO!
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Do NOT believe everything that is written. There's a lot of fact and opinions missing from that story to present a balanced argument. You can't make a judgement till you have everyone's version of events.

I can assure no journalist will have the facts. Or reverend. Or anyone else for that matter, other than those directly involved.
This is kind of where I'm at with this case, too. Taken at face value? Yes, it's absolutely appalling and unfathomable that something like that could happen to the family.

But the flip side is, we are only getting half of the story. BCH can't say anything because of patient confidentiality, which puts them in a really shitty spot where they can't defend themselves at all because they can't talk about the case. So as horrible as it all sounds, I'm really reluctant to take sides because we just don't know the full story, only what the parents are telling.
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